Swc Perfect Rules - Any Ideas?

[fullbore]

The original rider replaced for tactical reasons can come back into his programmed rides later whilst the reserve can be used to replace the injured guy.

 

I'm suggesting that once a rider is replaced he can't come back into the meeting.

 

Niamh

[Grand Central]

I'm suggesting that once a rider is replaced he can't come back into the meeting.

 

Niamh

 

I get that.

But why?

[krompa]

Title decided by joker again. lool

[mothorsen]

1 Four riders per team with a reserve that can replace any rider at any time. (Just like in the old days).

2 20 heats with the last four being nominated just as now.

3 No joker or tac subs allowed. This will prevent any team from getting their riders to slow down or retire, so that they can play a tac sub or joker, as what happens nowadays.

4 Host nation (if need) to be seeded to the race-off but never to the final. Let them earn their place like all other teams.

5 Winners of first and second events going though to the final. Second place and highest scoring third place team to the race-off. Top two teams in the race-off going through to the final.

Either this or reigning world champions get to defend the title. Seeding a team is wrong never the less.

Meetings should also be held at neutral grounds, but we'd get two and a half people watching. Perhaps stage it at a venue which isn't a regular speedway track.

Otherwise I quite agree.

[T.N.T.]

Firstly I would slightly change the race format but it still runs over 16 heats and 4 nominated races.

 

Secondly, change the JOKER to be used when EIGHT behind the leaders and tac subs when six behind.

 

HOST NATION; Seeded to the RACE OFF

[Ghostwalker]

Firstly I would slightly change the race format but it still runs over 16 heats and 4 nominated races.

 

Secondly, change the JOKER to be used when EIGHT behind the leaders and tac subs when six behind.

 

HOST NATION; Seeded to the RACE OFF

 

Why keep the joker? Do you actully want to see riders, retiring/avoid to pass on purpose just so that

they can use the joker for double points? Sure the leading team can do the same to prevent the use of joker

but I don't want to see several riders per heat doing their best to try and avoid

scoring any points in the heat. I want to see riders doing their best ro win.

 

[Mark]

If they insist on keeping the joker, which they will, then let the joker only be used when 8pts behind. That way a team who are 8pts behind cannot level the scores in the joker heat as Poland did in the Final. That is an unfair rule.

 

SWC should be won by the best team and not a team who gets 3 extra points for a joker ride.

 

Leave tactical sub as 6pts behind as that only scores 3pts maximum.

 

Host nation NOT seeded to final. Maybe seed to Play Off

Edited July 23, 2013 by marky

[Humphrey Appleby]

Host nation NOT seeded to final. Maybe seed to Play Off

 

The problem is easy to solve - run the Semi-Finals and then the Race-Off and Final as double headers.

 

You could just about run 2 meetings of 16 heats back-to-back - so run the two semis with the host nation in one together as one meeting. If the host nation qualifies for the Final then that's fine, otherwise they automatically qualify for the Race-Off. Then stage the Race-Off and Final together as one meeting. The host nation is then in every meeting.

[Grand Central]

The problem is easy to solve - run the Semi-Finals and then the Race-Off and Final as double headers.

 

You could just about run 2 meetings of 16 heats back-to-back - so run the two semis with the host nation in one together as one meeting. If the host nation qualifies for the Final then that's fine, otherwise they automatically qualify for the Race-Off. Then stage the Race-Off and Final together as one meeting. The host nation is then in every meeting.

 

Fine in Theory.

But did you go to the Fours at Peterborough?

 

 

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Edited July 24, 2013 by Grand Central

[moxey63]

I cannot see them ridding the competition of the Joker, so I suggest putting a rule alongside it... when a meeting reaches a time suspicious rider actions may take place. Any opposing team manager who thinks a suspicious tactic may be about to take place could nominate the team/rider he expects to act suspicious with a "Clown" ride, in which the rider under suspiciion of about to throw the race would have to wear a big red nose on his helmet. If he (the "Clown" rider) proves his nomination is of the "Clown" tag is wrongful and he doesn't begin acting daft by having this mysterious engine failure or believe he's done four laps and stops after two, then his points would be trebled and the team that thought he was about to throw the race would have their points deducted by x3 of what the "Clown" rider scored. You could call this a Cynicla Foul. If the "Clown" rider does as the opposing team manager expects and throws that race, then the rider would have a big bucket of water thrown over him as he walks across the centre green, followed by a shed full of flour, as the "Clown" rider looks/acts disappointed and puzzled at his first engine failure of the season. He would have to race the rest of the meeting covered in flour, which would be good for tv viewers.

 

What do you think of that?

Edited July 24, 2013 by moxey63

[TheReturn]

For starters I would make the World Cup non-annual, it devalues and trivialises what a World Cup is in most other sports, a sporting pinnacle that takes years of work to achieve, from planing to qualification. I quite like the idea of full 7-8 man teams over 18 heats, all held in one country every 4 years, maybe over a two week period. Two groups of four race each other once, top two qualify for quarter finals.

 

Plus two riders per team, per race, we get to see some Team Riding.

 

Sure there will be the Spain v Scotland type situations in footballing terms, but the Scotland's of this world still fight like mad to qualify and make that fixture happen in the WC Finals.

 

The other thing is. if it was every four years it gives teams like Team GB the chance to plan ahead, work on bringing riders through, finding the best riders for those tracks.

 

Of course, never gonna happen, whilst the present format earns them money, they wont want to change for the good of the sport.

[Super Blue]

How about

 

1 GB always hosts the event

2 GB always seeded to final

3 Handicap any opposition of threat by 15 mtrs

4 Make opposition use 250cc bikes

5 Only allow GB tactical jokers

 

Just goes to show how silly all this has become and I believe the above New rules are the only way we are ever likely to win the SWC again !

[moxey63]

Another new rule: Please no Tweets from our PM as he snuggles upto any sort of success in UK sport (or life in particular), congratulating a Team GB performance on anything higher than third place in the Race-Off. He probably won't be in power then, but the rule must be written.

[Humphrey Appleby]

I quite like the idea of full 7-8 man teams over 18 heats, all held in one country every 4 years, maybe over a two week period. Two groups of four race each other once, top two qualify for quarter finals.

 

Only a small handful of countries could put out competitive sides if they needed to find 7-8 riders, and home interest is quite critical with speedway meetings. There would be too many one-sided matches raced out in largely empty stadia with the one country scenario. With the best will in the world as well, differences in class are magnified in speedway due to the format of meetings effectively being a series of mini-matches (i.e. heats).

 

There may be some scope to stage a multi-year test championship between the top nations able to put out competitive sides, but this should be in additional to some other more inclusive team competition (e.g. 4TT or pairs).

[waiheke1]

1 Four riders per team with a reserve that can replace any rider at any time. (Just like in the old days).

2 20 heats with the last four being nominated just as now.

3 No joker or tac subs allowed. This will prevent any team from getting their riders to slow down or retire, so that they can play a tac sub or joker, as what happens nowadays.

4 Host nation (if need) to be seeded to the race-off but never to the final. Let them earn their place like all other teams.

5 Winners of first and second events going though to the final. Second place and highest scoring third place team to the race-off. Top two teams in the race-off going through to the final.

i basically agree with this.

On point 2 i ould return to the system of having heat 17 as 4th highest scorers etc. trhough to heat 20 being a top scorers race.

On point 3: no tac subs, but i ould retain the joker (though rename it). Only usable when 7 points down, or available to use in heat 20 to any team which has not used it prior.

 

There may be some scope to stage a multi-year test championship between the top nations able to put out competitive sides, but this should be in additional to some other more inclusive team competition (e.g. 4TT or pairs).

 

i'd envisage a "test championship" being held between the eading six nations (poland, Ozzy, Russia, Denmark, Sweden and GB) on a home and away basis over two years (so 5 matches per team per year which is probably all the calendar woudl allow), with a two legged home and away final at the end of the second year (or a one-off meeting hosted by the top qualifying nation). Use the classic 6 man team (plus two reserves) 18 heat format, though i'd add a heat 19 nominated riders race (happy for this raceto be double points, no other jokers or tac subs, though reserves can be used whenever up to max 6 rides). Oz might need to hose their home meetings at Poole, or timed in a bunch around NZ (or future Australain) GP as otherise travel likely to be prohibitive.

 

I'd also throw in a world pairs, classic 21 heat format, but then add two semis (1vs 4, 2vs 3) which would earn addtional points using conventional scoring, top two teams on points after the semis would race off in a final, the pair wiith most points overall wins the meeting . i feel this avoids the issues of artificially finding a winner from "tied" knock out races (one team winning after a 3-3 in a semi or final doesn't seem right) and would mean one bad ride for the dominant team wouldn't neccesarily ruin their chances, at the same time potentially adding an exicting finish beyond that in the old format. Make the final double points if needed to allow a team to potentially claw back up to a 9 point deficit in the final. No reserves, its a pairs comp, if there is an injury that is bad luck.

[moxey63]

Instead of using the Joker, why not introduce a new tactical rule allowing the team that's 6 points in arrears to name one of the team's (that is 6 points up) riders on a handicap.

Edited July 24, 2013 by moxey63

[Fromafar]

Just run it as per normal 3-2-1-0. Best Team on the night wins.End Off

[TheReturn]

Just run it as per normal 3-2-1-0. Best Team on the night wins.End Off

 

Oh don't be so stupid... that is just far too logical and sensible for speedway... I don't know, some people! Tut.

[moxey63]

Speedway, being speedway, you have to have rules that'll make things more complicating. Let's just get back to basics.

[Humphrey Appleby]

i'd envisage a "test championship" being held between the eading six nations (poland, Ozzy, Russia, Denmark, Sweden and GB) on a home and away basis over two years (so 5 matches per team per year which is probably all the calendar woudl allow), with a two legged home and away final at the end of the second year (or a one-off meeting hosted by the top qualifying nation).

 

The obvious issue would be where the Australians (and possibly the USA if they were involved) would ride their home matches...