John Leslie Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 As for Chris and Darcy, both were out there to be signed by other promoters, but Matt signed them both while other promoters were kipping. There is also such a thing as a bank manager.. So any success Poole have had is down to Matt Ford and his bank manager? Agreed. In fact Matt Ford and the bank manager would be entitled to ask why, considering the amount of money they have invested, haven't Poole won more? Again it shows Muddlo isn't very good and certainly shouldn't be GB team manager 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) So any success Poole have had is down to Matt Ford and his bank manager? Agreed. In fact Matt Ford and the bank manager would be entitled to ask why, considering the amount of money they have invested, haven't Poole won more? Again it shows Muddlo isn't very good and certainly shouldn't be GB team manager Im talking about other clubs bank managers, if they have one!!! So if Neil shouldn't be Team GB manager who should be?, and what are they going to do differently to bring about a change in class of rider? As i said, you can't turn a selling plater in to a Derby horse... Edited July 20, 2013 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Im talking about other clubs bank managers, if they have one!!! So if Neil shouldn't be Team GB manager who should be?, and what are they going to do differently to bring about a change in class of rider? As i said, you can't turn a selling plater in to a Derby horse... Not once have I read that Middlo has advocated a clear youth policy to bring on the development of riders to a better standard for international matches. At least Rob Lyon tried in stead of relying on riders that clearly were not of sufficient standard and frankly were never going to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Not once have I read that Middlo has advocated a clear youth policy to bring on the development of riders to a better standard for international matches. At least Rob Lyon tried in stead of relying on riders that clearly were not of sufficient standard and frankly were never going to be. I think you'l find that Neil is all for our boys to go over to the big tracks for international test matches. Yeh, but had Lyon tried that this year you would have needed binoculars to see our riders and scores.. unless you are happy to see that. But no, ang on, you'd moan about that if we were tailed off.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 I think you'l find that Neil is all for our boys to go over to the big tracks for international test matches. Yeh, but had Lyon tried that this year you would have needed binoculars to see our riders and scores.. unless you are happy to see that. But no, ang on, you'd moan about that if we were tailed off.. If that is indeed the case maybe he should grow a pair and say it publicly and to the authorities. At least that way it might actually happen. But no he carries on not rocking the boat and nothing changes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) If that is indeed the case maybe he should grow a pair and say it publicly and to the authorities. At least that way it might actually happen. But no he carries on not rocking the boat and nothing changes. You convieniently missed out the Rob Lyon bit. Another example of commenting when and what it suits... Edited July 20, 2013 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 So if Neil shouldn't be Team GB manager who should be?, There are plenty of people who would do a better job that Diddlo. Phil Morris is better for a start. It doesn't have to be an egotist like that grinning ape Rosco who just wants to be on tv. George English does a very good job quietly at Newcastle. Rob Lyon is pretty competent. Neil Vatcher does a good job with the youngsters down south, Richard Hollingsworth does a similar good job with youngsters up at Scunthorpe. There a probably quite a few people who do a competent managers job that I haven't even thought of, because the egotists overshadow them. and what are they going to do differently 1. Get a managers licence.....why should riders be arsed to give 100% if the manager can't be arsed driving to Coventry to get manager's accreditation? 2. Never pick an off-form rider like Ed Kennett for a world cup event where he'd be lucky to score a point without his Black & Decker 3. Never pick Ben Barker for an important meeting that he's never been capable of performing in 4. Study the rules and race format so that they can get the tactics right 5. Create some team spirit in the camp...The kind that turns average riders like Ricky Wells, Ryan Fisher, Cam Woodward and a bunch of Latvians into competent performers. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kester Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 No but he has to work with them, if they didn't want to ride for him we wouldn't have won what we did. Same as any football manager, the board sign the player, if they don't fancy him the won't play for him.. Next question... They don't ride for him, they ride for the money. You've been asked in threads before to name riders that Middlo has improved, you're best effort was to name Ward and Holder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) There are plenty of people who would do a better job that Diddlo. Phil Morris is better for a start. It doesn't have to be an egotist like that grinning ape Rosco who just wants to be on tv. George English does a very good job quietly at Newcastle. Rob Lyon is pretty competent. Neil Vatcher does a good job with the youngsters down south, Richard Hollingsworth does a similar good job with youngsters up at Scunthorpe. There a probably quite a few people who do a competent managers job that I haven't even thought of, because the egotists overshadow them. 1. Get a managers licence.....why should riders be arsed to give 100% if the manager can't be arsed driving to Coventry to get manager's accreditation? 2. Never pick an off-form rider like Ed Kennett for a world cup event where he'd be lucky to score a point without his Black & Decker 3. Never pick Ben Barker for an important meeting that he's never been capable of performing in 4. Study the rules and race format so that they can get the tactics right 5. Create some team spirit in the camp...The kind that turns average riders like Ricky Wells, Ryan Fisher, Cam Woodward and a bunch of Latvians into competent performers. Apply for the job then, you obviouly appear to think you know it all... i can imagine it now, john Leslie, comedian and Team GB Manager... Nah hasn't got the right ring to that... lets try it the other way John Leslie Team GB manager and Comedian. Nah, lets take away the Team GB part..... Edited July 20, 2013 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 A manager is only as good as what he is given to work with.............until we have world class riders again whoever is manager is looking for a slating...................if you have read what Middlo has put on facebook today you will see what he would like to see happen but until the powers that be get their heads out of their backsides it ain't gonna happen................. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 A manager is only as good as what he is given to work with.............until we have world class riders again whoever is manager is looking for a slating...................if you have read what Middlo has put on facebook today you will see what he would like to see happen but until the powers that be get their heads out of their backsides it ain't gonna happen................. RP there is an argument that he shouldnt support it by participating. Sad to say but Middlo has now become the face of the BSPA run GB team and everything that it has stood for over the last couple of decades. I would prefer to see a revolving door of frustrated managers than one compliant manager that allows the stifling of change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Apply for the job then, you obviouly appear to think you know it all... i can imagine it now, john Leslie, comedian and Team GB Manager... Nah hasn't got the right ring to that... lets try it the other way John Leslie Team GB manager and Comedian. Nah, lets take away the Team GB part..... Well that was a sensible response. Still, it proves you have no answer, but can't admit I am correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTM Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 I Think Neil should step down as he has had a couple of turbulent years connected with his own club much of which was not of his doing and as per usual this can,t help when you are trying to concentrate your thoughts into other projects etc .He is a nice bloke who unfortunately has to try and make a silk purse out of a sows ear (the England team who as a team were not good enough and havn,t been for a hell of a long time).I would like te see Peter Adams given a shot at the job ,If he was interested, as you only have to look at Wolverhampton as a going concern to see he is very solid at the head of team affairs.Don,t think Phil Morris is ready to be top boss yet but by all means use him as an understudy .Or contraversially bring in a outsider there are a hell of a lot ex international riders with years of racing experience who wouldn,t be members of the old boys club .We as a nation are a joke in the speedway world and have been for 2/3 years and unless we have a massive shake up it won,t get any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 A manager is only as good as what he is given to work with.............until we have world class riders again whoever is manager is looking for a slating...................if you have read what Middlo has put on facebook today you will see what he would like to see happen but until the powers that be get their heads out of their backsides it ain't gonna happen................. RP what a load of tosh!!! that is the worst statement to make and is the one that every Poole fan is trotting out in trying to defend Middlo. Put Jose Mourinho in charge of Yeovil. Would they challenge the top of the premiership?...................No Would they be a better team with more team spirit and produce better results ........................Yes Stop using the argument about the riders. A better manager would provide a better performance.........simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 A manager is only as good as what he is given to work with.............until we have world class riders again whoever is manager is looking for a slating...................if you have read what Middlo has put on facebook today you will see what he would like to see happen but until the powers that be get their heads out of their backsides it ain't gonna happen................. RP Your correct you can only work with what you got so with that in mind we should be beating the USA ect hence why people think Middlo is doing a poor job ..No one expects to win the world cup but we do expect to beat nations who only have 12 pro riders . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 if you have read what Middlo has put on facebook today you will see what he would like to see happen but until the powers that be get their heads out of their backsides it ain't gonna happen................. RP What did he say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) what a load of tosh!!! that is the worst statement to make and is the one that every Poole fan is trotting out in trying to defend Middlo. Put Jose Mourinho in charge of Yeovil. Would they challenge the top of the premiership?...................No Would they be a better team with more team spirit and produce better results ........................Yes Stop using the argument about the riders. A better manager would provide a better performance.........simple Team GB have little team spirit because of too many 'issues' between the riders - whoever the manager selects!! Morris doesn't get the results that Brummies achieve through good team spirit, especially the british boys!! He gets it from great performances from an Aussie, German and Italian!! With weakened Aussie and Swedish teams, Middlo and Morris thought they had a decent chance to do well this year! We were never going to win it and imo we should have started the rebuilding process by tracking Woffy and the untried youngsters. (ps. Great to read that Woffy is starting his Speedway Academy next year for young Brits! - It was in yesterday's Sun so it must be true!!) Edited July 21, 2013 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Team GB have little team spirit because of too many 'issues' between the riders Not sure that needs to matter. I always thought there was friction with some of the Aussie riders (Batch)? I am not sure all the Danes used to get on so well, i.e. Hans and NP, but when they put on their natonal race jackets they come together as one, or at least that is how it seems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Your correct you can only work with what you got so with that in mind we should be beating the USA ect hence why people think Middlo is doing a poor job ..No one expects to win the world cup but we do expect to beat nations who only have 12 pro riders . Orion, why do we have the RIGHT to beat the USA or Latvia?. You tell me 4 riders who would have done better?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieb Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 It makes me sad to read alot of this, as someone whos watched speedway since the sixties, yes the manager has made some errors of judgement but as with all British Sport our riders are left to pay for everything. As said our youngsters cant supply equipment or expertise on a par with the likes of all the GP riders so how the hell do you expect them to win races against them , oh hang on a minute ill just get my go cart and take on the F1s today, wake up Great? Britian you need to spend some money on your team that are representing you, why do we win Horse show jumping huh Because our rich Daddies by the best Horses and Give their children riding lessons from aged zero onwards. In speedway we are the poor trying to race against the rich .No can do,who ever manages OR rides for that matter.And as usual some knock our young up and coming talent instead of encouraging them and sticking your hand in your pocket and giving them a helping hand . And before anyone says it yes i have, but im afraid im not a russian billionaire but i do know that our riders need help so stop knocking them and get behind them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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