orion Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) When is the peny going to drop with you that another manager, might have the same talent to work with, but might motivate them to do better, to punch above their weight. That is what I think as well. ..think you might have got the wrong end of the stick,. read my post again Edited July 23, 2013 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former devil Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Some Brits have a attitude problem and big ego to try and cope with ,which is beyond them A good manager would be able to deal with the attitudes and antics of the team by motivation. Imo a huge downfall of Middlo is that he wants to be liked by all the riders and is afraid to upset or discipline them, whether that is at club or country level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipswich Jules Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Gav, and tell me this, what has Neil got to work with? If he puts out the experienced riders and we get beat, people moan, if he puts out the kids and they get tailed off, which they will, people will moan, he's in a no win situation.. But of course there are many would be managers on here who obviously think they can do better,,, behind a keyboard... Said from....behind a keyboard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 When is the peny going to drop with you that another manager, might have the same talent to work with, but might motivate them to do better, to punch above their weight. With the current crop of riders that would be one hell of a punch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipswich Jules Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 He picked Kennett when nearly every speedway fan on here knew it was the wrong choice ..I doubt anyone could do worst than what team gb done in this world cup in comeing last in a race off behind USA and Latvia ..The bottom line is team gb results were poor with the side they had I can't see any logic than can show otherwise . Not sure why you keep using this stupid example about horses but if we are going to I would say we might have had a Derby Horse but our group horse got bet by two donkey on Weston super mare bench . Even before the KL event he had regrets over picking EK, I tweeted Middleditch and asked him directly if he has any regrets over the team he picked - his reply was something like "It can't be changed now, we need to get behind them" - not exactly a shot of confidence from your manager! Then pick a better side?? For Kings Lynn I'd of gone with Harris, King, Worrell and Cook. No Tai as he wouldn't of been needed, so would of given King a look with Worrell and Cook getting some exposure. We were never going to win that event or finish last, so we had a chance to try a few riders - was that chance taken? Well 1 out of 4 ain't bad, right? According to you it's bloody perfect as that's the option Middleditch took, to everybody else it should of been AT LEAST 2 out of 4 riders being looked at, Worrall has banged in some big scores round KL in the EL so would of handled himself I feel, Cook also deserved his place on merit. Why King was overlook totally - and especially when Kennett was included - is a mystery. So there you go, I look forward to your reply, from behind your keyboard using an anonymous name "Starman2006" (And before you say I am, I have my Twitter profile in my signature which includes my name). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 But appart from Tai Bomber and perhaps Danny King, who else has Neil got to fall back on You mention Danny King as one of the three top riders to be picked. You have told us repeatedly that nobody could have done any better than your Neil, but don't seem to make the connection that Middlo picked 4 other riders before King. Sure you also posted more than once on the WTC team selection thread that you didn't think Kennet was the right choice, but have then spent over a week defending Middlo. Doesn't really make sense does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Shaker Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) I see Middlo is still in charge for GB vs Aus on Thursday at Sheffield. Seems to have picked a half decent team for Owlerton I think. Great Britain: Lewis Bridger, Ricky Ashworth, Josh Auty, Adam Roynon, Richard Lawson, Joe Haines, Kyle Newman. Team manager: Neil Middleditch Australia: Cameron Woodward, Rusty Harrison, Kozza Smith, Kevin Doolan, Dakota North, Cory Gathercole, Tyson Nelson. Team manager: Mark Lemon Edited July 24, 2013 by Shale Shaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 And what about if Mark Cannot do any better with the same riders at his disposal... Oh, u'l all say, well, Mark was only a stop gap.. Ha ha, turn it which ever way you like, we are not good enough no matter who is put in the team... completely missing the point. A better manager will make the same riders do better, not world beaters no but better than the world cup shambles Forget it you know less about football than you do about speedway! stop talking out your backside. its an analogy if you know the phrase or go get a dictionary. A better manager (in any sport!!!!) will make the same team do better through skill motivation and tactics . We are now on 16 pages of a thread where all but 2 people say he should go but you keep flogging your dead horse. What everybody is saying is this: Kennett was a bad choice. Race off riders wrong choice. Tactics woeful Motivation lacking If you dont think a new manager could get those things changed that we wouldnt do better? Of course we would!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 There really is no point in sacking Middlo, its clearly not his fault GB has only two riders of World Cup standard. Big mistake to drop Cook for Barker, and not giving Worrall a run at Lynn, but its unfair to blame Neil for GB's woes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 There really is no point in sacking Middlo, its clearly not his fault GB has only two riders of World Cup standard. Big mistake to drop Cook for Barker, and not giving Worrall a run at Lynn, but its unfair to blame Neil for GB's woes.... So who do you blame for dropping Cook, picking Barker, and not giving Worrall a run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 There really is no point in sacking Middlo, its clearly not his fault GB has only two riders of World Cup standard. Big mistake to drop Cook for Barker, and not giving Worrall a run at Lynn, but its unfair to blame Neil for GB's woes.... so who made them decisions? Better man with more motivation and tactical brain is needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 So who do you blame for dropping Cook, picking Barker, and not giving Worrall a run? Morris.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former devil Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Morris.. Which only goes to prove that Middlo is indeed a "yes" man!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) completely missing the point. A better manager will make the same riders do better, not world beaters no but better than the world cup shambles stop talking out your backside. its an analogy if you know the phrase or go get a dictionary. A better manager (in any sport!!!!) will make the same team do better through skill motivation and tactics . We are now on 16 pages of a thread where all but 2 people say he should go but you keep flogging your dead horse. What everybody is saying is this: Kennett was a bad choice. Race off riders wrong choice. Tactics woeful Motivation lacking If you dont think a new manager could get those things changed that we wouldnt do better? Of course we would!!!!!!!!! Apply for the job yourself then? whoever was in charge would be under the cosh onto a hiding to nothing don't you get it?we are just NOT GOOD anough end of it is so easy to use Middlo as a scapegoat.I didn't agree with the all the selections we never will its all down to everyone's personal perception of thing,s.The point you are missing is we have not got a longterm plan on how to get riders through the system and do not have a 5 or 10 year plan to try to improve as a nation.I don't expect to just turn up and beat Latvia those lofty days of the 70s have long gone.Instead of beating Middlo over the head with a stick why don't you come forward with a constructive way of Great Britain moving forward!Any ideas? maybe EL and PL teams having to have 2 or 3 Englishmen in the team that might help just one suggestion.Morris,Rossiter, whoever would do no better longterm than Middlo the position is a poison chalice until measures are put in for a long term vision year by year we will slip further behind. Edited July 25, 2013 by sidney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob tatum Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Seems to me this is like the england footie team blame the manager not the players sack the manager and everything will be great umm no not really. Let's be honest the truth is we are not very good. Why ? Ask the polish I have no idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Apply for the job yourself then? whoever was in charge would be under the cosh onto a hiding to nothing don't you get it?we are just NOT GOOD anough end of it is so easy to use Middlo as a scapegoat.I didn't agree with the all the selections we never will its all down to everyone's personal perception of thing,s.The point you are missing is we have not got a longterm plan on how to get riders through the system and do not have a 5 or 10 year plan to try to improve as a nation.I don't expect to just turn up and beat Latvia those lofty days of the 70s have long gone.Instead of beating Middlo over the head with a stick why don't you come forward with a constructive way of Great Britain moving forward!Any ideas? maybe EL and PL teams having to have 2 or 3 Englishmen in the team that might help just one suggestion.Morris,Rossiter, whoever would do no better longterm than Middlo the position is a poison chalice until measures are put in for a long term vision year by year we will slip further behind. Sidney your wasting your breath mate, if its not Kennett its the team, if its not the team its kennett , if its not them its Neil, they would all be totally lost if they were dumped in the pits with a programme and told to get on with it. Its primerily a poole thing. Well tough on there part, because nothings going to change, including the manager. So short pier long walk springs to mind, don't waste your breath mate.. Edited July 25, 2013 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Sidney your wasting your breath mate, if its not Kennett its the team, if its not the team its kennett , if its not them its Neil, they would all be totally lost if they were dumped in the pits with a programme and told to get on with it. Its primerily a poole thing. Well tough on there part, because nothings going to change, including the manager. So short pier long walk springs to mind, don't waste your breath mate.. Agree mate and to be fair we are outnumbered, i respect everybody elses views though but it is so easy to be brutal i don't have the answers neither have any of us to be truthfull.I just hope the likes of Lambert and Ellis (ect) progress it will be hard though as for me with haven't a longterm vision in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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