Starman2006 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) I'm no equine expert but if you get them as yearlings you can at least train them to do things the correct way. Why can you still not see that we agree there are not the riders about at present. What the rest of us are advocating is that Middlo should have realised this years ago, when everyone else did and done something about it. Thats very correct, you take on a yearling and you can train it and bring it on the correct way then sell it on with no vices or if you are an owner who's brought it on put it in training with a well respected up front Trainer. As for your second point, thats my point exactly, we have nobody, Correction, we do, but the likelyhood being they will never, reach the standard of the Poles Dane Aussies, why, see my post above. Tell me this, when Bomber retires Scott is not interested and we hopefully still have Tai, who else do we have?? Thats why you really can't fault Neil for trying, he's doing his best with what he has at his disposal.. Here they all come, two by two, its like bloody Noa's Ark... Edited July 22, 2013 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Er one thing Neil is not, a yes man.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Er one thing Neil is not, a yes man.. He is. He has admited he is. He clearly stated on twitter two weeks ago he doesn't sign the riders for Poole. Remember the fuss at Eastbourne years ago when Sullivan pulled off the track so Eastbourne got a 5-0 (rather than a 5-1) so Poole could have a TR? He said that was Matts fault not his. He's a yes man or he would have not allowed that to happen if he didnt agree with it. As for your second point, thats my point exactly, we have nobody, Correction, we do, but the likelyhood being they will never, reach the standard of the Poles Dane Aussies, why, see my post above. Tell me this, when Bomber retires Scott is not interested and we hopefully still have Tai, who else do we have?? Thats why you really can't fault Neil for trying, he's doing his best with what he has at his disposal..We know this. Well Done for finally seeing it. Now what is Neil doing to change this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) He is. He has admited he is. He clearly stated on twitter two weeks ago he doesn't sign the riders for Poole. Remember the fuss at Eastbourne years ago when Sullivan pulled off the track so Eastbourne got a 5-0 (rather than a 5-1) so Poole could have a TR? He said that was Matts fault not his. He's a yes man or he would have not allowed that to happen if he didnt agree with it. We know this. Well Done for finally seeing it. Now what is Neil doing to change this? Mate i can't remember what happened last week, nevermind 5 year ago.. You tell me, because as far as quality goes we havn't got it, again, see my post above, Yes we do actually have some reasonable young kids, thanks to the NL, but again, they will never reach the pinical of the poles danes Aussies and even the Latvians, if you like. You've also actually answered the question yourself Neil can only do with what he has at his disposal, see my above post.. Edited July 22, 2013 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) Er one thing Neil is not, a yes man.. Let us all hope you are right ... 'Neil, will you go to Rugby to get your licence?' NO 'Neil, you must realise that Kennet is the wrong choice. Will you change your mind'? NO 'Neil, Surely King is a better choice than Barker?' NO 'Neil, you must leave Harris in this race he has just scored 5 points' NO 'Neil, do you want another year as Team GB coach?' NO NO NO NO NO We can but hope. Edited July 22, 2013 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 he's doing his best with what he has at his disposal.. You could argue the US were a one man team. You could argue we were too (Tai). I think our other riders are better than the US other riders. The US beat us because their team was man managed and motivated better, in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Let us all hope you are right ... 'Neil, will you go to Rugby to get your licence?' NO 'Neil, you must realise that Kennet is the wrong choice. Will you change your mind'? NO 'Neil, Surely King is a better choice than Barker?' NO 'Neil, you must leave Harris in this race he has just scored 5 points' NO 'Neil, do you want another year as Team GB coach?' NO NO NO NO NO We can but hope. And everybody is telling us he's a yes man.......NO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 And everybody is telling us he's a yes man.......NO... Not me. Just the fervent hope that he is YESterday's man. Even I groaned after writing such tosh. But you get the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Not me. Just the fervent hope that he is YESterday's man. Even I groaned after writing such tosh. But you get the point. Yep, you outlined that very well.. Neils not a yes man.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) Easy to blame the manager, but he wasn't riding the bikes. Team GB are at its lowest ebb in years. In fact, I can't ever remember when we lacked the talent to field even a four-man side and feel confident of pulling off even a decent World Cup appearance. Middleditch can't be blamed for our riders failing to each anywhere near the standard we were used to in rose-tinted spec days. And, remember folks, we (meaning England) haven't actually lifted the World Cup since 1989... and that because Erik Gundersen had those life-threatening injuries in heat one and hot favourites Denmark were shattered. It is 33 years since England actually won the World Cup and were the powerhouse that deserved to. Edited July 22, 2013 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Easy to blame the manager, but he wasn't riding the bikes. He clearly picked the wrong riders to ride the bikes. He did achieve something though, he seemed to bring everyone on the BSF together in unanimously agreeing in something, that Kennett was the wrong pick at Kings Lynn, before, during and after. So yes, Team GB is not going too well, but I think a lot of mistakes were made this year by the manager, so that is why it is east to blame the manager for some of this years failings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) "Please will you do the GB team manager's job?" "Yes" Niamh Edited July 22, 2013 by Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 He clearly picked the wrong riders to ride the bikes. He did achieve something though, he seemed to bring everyone on the BSF together in unanimously agreeing in something, that Kennett was the wrong pick at Kings Lynn, before, during and after. So yes, Team GB is not going too well, but I think a lot of mistakes were made this year by the manager, so that is why it is east to blame the manager for some of this years failings. Easiest target you mean... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanF Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Easy to blame the manager, but he wasn't riding the bikes. Team GB are at its lowest ebb in years. In fact, I can't ever remember when we lacked the talent to field even a four-man side and feel confident of pulling off even a decent World Cup appearance. Middleditch can't be blamed for our riders failing to each anywhere near the standard we were used to in rose-tinted spec days. And, remember folks, we (meaning England) haven't actually lifted the World Cup since 1989... and that because Erik Gundersen had those life-threatening injuries in heat one and hot favourites Denmark were shattered. It is 33 years since England actually won the World Cup and were the powerhouse that deserved to. No particular axe to grind with Middleditch but I can't see how he can stay in the job. No way we should be losing to a team with Fisher, Wells and Manzares. He doesn't ride the bikes, so his main function is motivation of his riders. If he can't motivate them to beat that US team then there is no point him being in the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 No particular axe to grind with Middleditch but I can't see how he can stay in the job. No way we should be losing to a team with Fisher, Wells and Manzares. He doesn't ride the bikes, so his main function is motivation of his riders. If he can't motivate them to beat that US team then there is no point him being in the job. Trying to find someone to take the job will be the biggest challenge,Dont think the salery will be that great and certainly not worth the hassle given the calibre of riders currently available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary moore Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) Easiest target you mean... Give it a rest? Cant you see see the truth? The bloke cant manage simple. Face the facts. Trying to find someone to take the job will be the biggest challenge,Dont think the salery will be that great and certainly not worth the hassle given the calibre of riders currently available. Dont you mean not worth the hassle from the BSPA??? Edited July 22, 2013 by gary moore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 And everybody is telling us he's a yes man.......NO... Easiest target you mean... he blatantly is a yes man the whole forum knows it except the blue tint army. Tell you what as it is the riders that are the problem lets have no manager. That's what footy teams do if they are doing bad they sack the manager and don't bring in anyone as its the players fault! Laughable! We don't have a good set of riders but the right manager would help them do better. He has to go and I think at least 90% of people on here realise that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Well lets face it, ther's nobody else out there that could do better given the riders at Neils disposal. Not true, you and me could have achieved what Middlo has done this year... He may be a nice bloke, but he's just a totem and not up to the job There is no 'team spirit' in Team GB (England) and his tactical skills are questionable at best. The riders available may not be good enough to win the WTC, but a passionate Manager that does more than fill in the program might help. Having said that, the powers that be in British Speedway seem not to be that bothered...(at all).. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 he blatantly is a yes man the whole forum knows it except the blue tint army. Tell you what as it is the riders that are the problem lets have no manager. That's what footy teams do if they are doing bad they sack the manager and don't bring in anyone as its the players fault! Laughable! We don't have a good set of riders but the right manager would help them do better. He has to go and I think at least 90% of people on here realise that Yeh right! are you for real? ask Ward,Holder(ect) and other ex Great riders i wont name them all and other endless top class riders he has dealt with.Ok he has made mistakes so what we all have ! but his record over a long period stacks up pretty favourably in his favour, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) Not true, you and me could have achieved what Middlo has done this year... He may be a nice bloke, but he's just a totem and not up to the job There is no 'team spirit' in Team GB (England) and his tactical skills are questionable at best. The riders available may not be good enough to win the WTC, but a passionate Manager that does more than fill in the program might help. Having said that, the powers that be in British Speedway seem not to be that bothered...(at all).. Mate that bottom line is probably more to the truth, Neil is a very good manager, but if bad vibes filter down from the top then no matter what is said then your not going to get full rider comitment hence why didn't Scott ride? yes i was pleased to see Bridger ride properly and not showboat But take away Tai and Bomber we are in dire trouble, and i don't care what anybody says, nobody, will improve things, not this year next year or the year after without the full backing of the powers that be. Edited July 22, 2013 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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