Starman2006 Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 The fact is, we're not miles behind USA or Latvia, in fact 9 times out of ten you'd expect the English riders to beat their Latvian or American counterparts. However, for some reason we massively under-performed on the night. Either they weren't prepared or they weren't up for it. Unlike the Latvians and the Yanks. One way or another the management have to accept at least some of the blame for last night's performance. Funny that, i was waiting for a comment like that. Had we beat the Latvians and the USA, somebody would have said, well, we ought to but we are crap for just beating them, on the otherhand you say we should have beaten them so we are crap for not. You want it allways.. Tell you what, like all the other so called Team managers on here, why don't you write to the powers that be and offer your services, im sure you could do better.... Not!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) I'd give the job to Phil Morris be knows the youngsters coming through, and with no disrespect to him his career was pretty much as a journeyman rider so he is probably far more aware of the many twists turns and pitfalls that any aspiring rider will come across. Also he always comes across well in the media and he's bloody intelligent to boot ( though not as smart as a 10 year old ) As he is already involved witb the U21s and youth it would have to be a 5 year plus job to reap the rewards. Whoops and due to a senior moment i forgot to mention his quite simple mantra of avoid last places is working wonders for Birmingham Edited July 19, 2013 by Triple.H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 The fact is, we're not miles behind USA or Latvia, in fact 9 times out of ten you'd expect the English riders to beat their Latvian or American counterparts. However, for some reason we massively under-performed on the night. Either they weren't prepared or they weren't up for it. Unlike the Latvians and the Yanks. One way or another the management have to accept at least some of the blame for last night's performance. Are you arrogant Matt to just presume we would/ or should just turn up and beat that opposition.No fluke they were better than us end of forget yesterday what do we do for the future!! that's the question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Well you would say that wouldn't you, coming from Swindon. And if Scott Nicholls could have been arsed to ride Tai didn't run a last and Bombers Kill switch didn't come out we may have have done better. Tai and Bomber appart, Bottom line is, although i was very impressed with Bridgers attitude, and Barker tried and could have scored more, they are patently not good enough, NEITHER is Worrell Cook and even King and Kennett, and anybody else you can think of... We are a mile behind the other Europeans, But thats not Neils fault, he can only work with the riders at his disposal. And don't say, well it depends how he uses them, the bottom line is we are not, good enough.. You can't turn a selling plater into a Derby horse. Simples.. Yet again you miss the point ...it's ok saying we are good enough when we getting beat by the danes etc but not when it's the USA ..you don't need to be a Derby horse to beat them as they are donkeys on brighton beach ..the bottom line we miles ahead of the usa and Latvia and plenty good enough to beat them the fact we never means the tm must take a lot of the blame . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Yet again you miss the point ...it's ok saying we are good enough when we getting beat by the danes etc but not when it's the USA ..you don't need to be a Derby horse to beat them as they are donkeys on brighton beach ..the bottom line we miles ahead of the usa and Latvia and plenty good enough to beat them the fact we never means the tm must take a lot of the blame . If it is so simples, why don't we do it ?Latvia are there with us on merit they are better than us we now need to regroup have a longterm plan but it will never happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Are you arrogant Matt to just presume we would/ or should just turn up and beat that opposition.No fluke they were better than us end of forget yesterday what do we do for the future!! that's the question! Yes, I, along with most other British fans presumed we would stroll past Latvia and USA and be challenging Australia for the bronze medal. The fact that we finished last suggests there is something very wrong. It's too simplistic to say that we lack world class riders. Latvia and USA don't have world class riders (with the exception of Hancock) yet they beat us, due to being better prepared, having a greater team spirit or simply wanting it more. I agree that we lack the quality young riders like Denmark, Poland and Australia have both in their teams and in the pipeline, but we should be able to easily see off the likes of Latvia and USA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Yes, I, along with most other British fans presumed we would stroll past Latvia and USA and be challenging Australia for the bronze medal. The fact that we finished last suggests there is something very wrong. It's too simplistic to say that we lack world class riders. Latvia and USA don't have world class riders (with the exception of Hancock) yet they beat us, due to being better prepared, having a greater team spirit or simply wanting it more. I agree that we lack the quality young riders like Denmark, Poland and Australia have both in their teams and in the pipeline, but we should be able to easily see off the likes of Latvia and USA. Get in reality Latvia have some talent,the days of us just turning up are long gone surely you knew Latvia had talented riders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADGER69 Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) One of the problems is that some of the British riders are arrogant egotists who think they are better than their counterparts When they win its because they are (WORLDCLASS ) When they lose its the bike , the mechanic/ or the track or even the team manager but never the fact that they are no good on the world stage. Edited July 19, 2013 by badger1969 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Barrett Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Yet again you miss the point ...it's ok saying we are good enough when we getting beat by the danes etc but not when it's the USA ..you don't need to be a Derby horse to beat them as they are donkeys on brighton beach ..the bottom line we miles ahead of the usa and Latvia and plenty good enough to beat them the fact we never means the tm must take a lot of the blame . It is all well and good saying we are "Miles ahead of them", ...but we did not beat them, did we? So we aren't,are we? It is easy to blame the Team Manager, but the bottom line isif the riders go out on the track and do not beat the opposition, then it is down to them, end of We have not got the "quality" of riders any more, and that is something the BSPA need to address, not Middleditch; he can only work with what he has availabe, and that is only Nicholls, Woffinden, and who else?....................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I didnt think we would win but without harris kill switch problem and tai coming last we could have been in a winning position going into the last four races, latvia obviously have some good young talent and fisher and wells upped their game from event2. The surprise element was woodward he rode out of his skin and greg was fantastic but overall luck didnt favour us. I felt all along the smoother style of danny king would be better than barker or bridger and sadly proved right. I actually thought lewis did ok but barkers only decent race was on harris's bike so why didnt we try that earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Get in reality Latvia have some talent,the days of us just turning up are long gone surely you knew Latvia had talented riders? They might have but they are still miles behind the uk ...the bookies gave them little chance of beating the uk are nor did the fans . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Have often wondered how Middlo qualified as GB Team Manager (he doesn't).. Surely he is just a B&B for Poole Speedway.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) It is all well and good saying we are "Miles ahead of them", ...but we did not beat them, did we? So we aren't,are we? Not at all anyone can be miles ahead of someone and still lose if the wrong side is picked or the team spirit and tactics are wrong ...Not one fan would have thought we would come last last night but we did . Edited July 19, 2013 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Have often wondered how Middlo qualified as GB Team Manager (he doesn't).. Surely he is just a B&B for Poole Speedway.. Funny how the best riders always wanted to ride for him, I remember crumpie saying the only person he wanted to ride for was middlo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Funny how the best riders always wanted to ride for him, I remember crumpie saying the only person he wanted to ride for was middlo. Because he's a soft touch? Easy to manipulate? Easy to ignore? Do you really think that Middlo was able to do anything for Crumpy? Plus he was hardly likely to say, "Middlo is a tool with the tactical noose of a dog turd and the talent spotting abilities of a blind death and dumb Eskimo" is he? It's all well and good that all these riders want to ride for Middlo but do what if he always fails Bd under achieved?! I'd prefer a manager that no rider wants to ride for but gets the best out of his riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 The bottom line is we are better that USA and latvia but got beat by them so the manager has to take a lot of the blame Man for man we are stronger, but USA finished above us only because Greg Hancock score 20 points while Fisher and Wells (and Gino) scored just 11 between them from 14 starts !! ...... Latvia however had 3 of their 4 riders gain heat wins while Lebedevs was better than 5 points and Prague suits those riders more than ours. Team GB are about the 5th strongest nation when all are at full strength, any finish below that is unacceptable and an under-achievement. 5th is being kind. Poland and Denmark are clearly the top two while fully fit Australia, Sweden and Russia are much stronger than Team GB and there are other countries that have one star rider and young improving riders and countries like Latvia that may not have a GP rider, but have riders that will take points off riders in big events. On paper Bridger and Barker are capable of beating Woodward & Doyle but it didn't happen. On paper it would point to Woodward and Doyle being stronger than Barker and Bridger as both have higher averages here. One thing that does concern me is most of the riders that struggle are the riders that double up. Cook, Barker, Wells etc are not getting the experience on foreign tracks as much and this shows up in big events like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenagraham Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 You can call Team USA "third world", you can claim how much better Team GB is than the Yanks, you can call us cheaters and you can accuse us of gaming the rules, but it all comes off as very sour grapes. The arrogance and pretentiousness of some of the folks in this neighborhood is inelegant, at best, and embarrassing for a nation with a rich speedway history, at worst. Team USA definitely had luck on their side with a decimated Swedish squad and Team GB lacking Scott Nichols in the race-off, but that's racing. Billy Hamill didn't score any points Thursday nor did Neil Middleditch. It all came down to what happened on the track and if you think hanging the manager, a man with his own rich speedway history, is the solution, a number of you are completely deluded. You had a bad day and that sometimes happens but, to throw temper tantrums like a 5 year old, really doesn't cut it. Have more pride in your team no matter what the result, give them your full throated support and use this result as a learning experience to do better next year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undercover Elephant Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 I was stunned when I saw the replacement line up for GB in Barker and Bridger. Is there a reason out there in not selecting Danny King and Scott Nicholls for the race off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 With all due respect Team GB is going downhill every year and hit a new low on Thursday. And I think as supporters we have every right to be unhappy with our team manager and those who employ him. Our problems run very deep and will only get worse until the whole approach is altered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Yes, I, along with most other British fans presumed we would stroll past Latvia and USA and be challenging Australia for the bronze medal. The fact that we finished last suggests there is something very wrong. It's too simplistic to say that we lack world class riders. Latvia and USA don't have world class riders (with the exception of Hancock) yet they beat us, due to being better prepared, having a greater team spirit or simply wanting it more. I agree that we lack the quality young riders like Denmark, Poland and Australia have both in their teams and in the pipeline, but we should be able to easily see off the likes of Latvia and USA. exactly my point!!! we dont have the riders correct but the other stuff is down to the manager is it not? Yes, I, along with most other British fans presumed we would stroll past Latvia and USA and be challenging Australia for the bronze medal. The fact that we finished last suggests there is something very wrong. It's too simplistic to say that we lack world class riders. Latvia and USA don't have world class riders (with the exception of Hancock) yet they beat us, due to being better prepared, having a greater team spirit or simply wan ting it more. I agree that we lack the quality young riders like Denmark, Poland and Australia have both in their teams and in the pipeline, but we should be able to easily see off the likes of Latvia and USA. exactly my point. we dont ahve good enough riders but the rest is down to the manager who simply does not instill any of this!! Not at all anyone can be miles ahead of someone and still lose if the wrong side is picked or the team spirit and tactics are wrong ...Not one fan would have thought we would come last last night but we did . Latvia have 12 riders professionally. im sorry but we should be beating them but what i have highlighted is what is wrong with our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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