Please Go Middlo

[SteveLyric2]

I put this on the other thread as it seems just as relevant - with or without Middlo/Morris!! "I don't see why the BSPA should have (or want) the responsibility of the National team - whatever its called??! For most of them it doesn't do anything for their day-to-day speedway businesses either in the short or long term under current rules!! Maybe the ACU or this new 'Parliamentary Speedway Group' should take it under their wing, with separate management, development, training, sponsorship and funding!!? "

Edited July 19, 2013 by Skidder1

[frigbo]

I think it's blatantly obvious that we are anything but a Speedway super-power at the moment. Similarly it's blatantly obvious that we should not be losing to teams like the Latvian and American sides on display last night.

 

In my view, Middlo is a poor Team Manager at both club and international level. He is tactically woeful and appears to lack the required levels of drive and man-management to get the best from the limited resources he has.

 

Team GB are about the 5th strongest nation when all are at full strength, any finish below that is unacceptable and an under-achievement.

 

The BSPA treat Team GB as an add on for one week of the year and the whole setup is geared in that fashion. Middlo appears to have no ambition or appetite to challenge that and put am infrastructure in place to improve things. That's what a Team GB Team Manager job is about, not picking a bunch or riders and holding a clipboard for a week in July.

 

Middleditch treats the job with the same apathy as the Management Committe and must go.

[KevtheRev]

I cannot believe it when I saw Barker sitting on his bike looking as though somebody had shot his grandmother. It was his last ride and we were mathematically still in with a shout. Where was Middlo!!!

 

On paper Bridger and Barker are capable of beating Woodward & Doyle but it didn't happen.

Middlo's no motivator and not a good team manager. The other 3 managers last night had their team pumped up and getting stuck in. We just seemed to be making up the numbers.

 

FFS go Middlo.

[Arson fire]

why do people keep saying doesnt matter who is in charge we couldnt have done better! i agree but it isnt about 'doing better'

 

Why then do football teams who are struggling sack there manager then? they will still have the same players and wont suddenly become Man United overnight! They get rid of the manager because the team and tactics arent working. The personnel dont quite gel. Sometimes with a new manager the same 11 players perform better. Middlo clearly isnt the most tactically aware manager and i cant really see any spirit there. Im not saying a new team manager will suddenly see us up there with the poles and danes we dont have the riders thats obvious but to say Middlo is doing ok because of the riders at his disposal is a very short sighted view.

 

What people are saying here is that none of the bottom 6 in the premiership should sack there managers because the new manager will only have the same players to work with!! ok in football you can bring in a new player but a struggling team isnt going to get a Messi or a Ronaldo same as Team Gb isnt going to find a Ward or Pedersen.!

 

A new manager will bring fresh ideas and hopefully boost morale.

 

Times up for Middlo and let someone else have a crack

didnt Ron Lyon come in with fresh ideas which were dismissed out of hand and he ultimately walked.... It's a poison chalice man, even Paul Daniels wouldn't have made a difference. We as a nation always look for a scapegoat to justify our frustration and disappointment when the sad fact is, barring Tai ( who wasn't very good either) we have NOBODY who is able to compete consistently at world level... The problem is at grassroots level and has been for years!!

A few clubs run training schools etc but there is little or no incentive to get into speedway... It's a closed shop and will remain so for the foreseeable future, we need to deal with it.

[John Leslie]

Muddlo has to go...No question about it.

 

The bloke couldn't even be arsed to go to an FIM seminar to get accreditation for a Team Manager's licence.....So he wasn't even our manager anyway, even though he was pretending to be.

 

Anyone who thinks picking Kennett on Monday, or letting Barker anywhere near the British team, is a good idea should never be given a team manager's licence.

 

Apart from not having a licence and being clueless as to which riders to select, he seems to have no tactical or motivational skills.

 

 

But once Muddlo has gone, please let's not talk about halfwits like Rosco or Havelock as his replacement. They're just people who want to see themselves on telly and are in it for the ego trip. They have nothing to offer the job.

 

Phil Morris is a good choice. He knows the young British riders and is working with the youth set up.

There are also plenty of tactically aware managers at club level who do good motivational jobs without the publicity of forcing their faces onto the TV screen at every opportunity.

 

Probably a pairing of Phil Morris together with a manager from the PL who has seen/is seeing the likes of Cook, Worrall, Howarth, Ellis, Lambert progress would be the best option.

[Gavan]

didnt Ron Lyon come in with fresh ideas which were dismissed out of hand and he ultimately walked.... It's a poison chalice man, even Paul Daniels wouldn't have made a difference. We as a nation always look for a scapegoat to justify our frustration and disappointment when the sad fact is, barring Tai ( who wasn't very good either) we have NOBODY who is able to compete consistently at world level... The problem is at grassroots level and has been for years!!

A few clubs run training schools etc but there is little or no incentive to get into speedway... It's a closed shop and will remain so for the foreseeable future, we need to deal with it.

i get what you and others are saying that nobody else couls have done better with the riders at his disposal.

i agree we are what we are but its very short sighted in my opinion.

Im a West Ham fan, put Mourinho in charge and its likely that he will get the same 11 players to perform better than Allardyce. Why? He is a better all round manager, tactics , morale and so on.

A different manager with the same squad would probably do a better job.

Most of the camera shots on our team showed no spirit at all. That i afraid is poor management

The tactics were shocking. That is management.

 

Please can we stop using the excuse that he did his best with a bad bunch!

[pandorum]

A new manager will bring fresh ideas and hopefully boost morale.

 

You mean like Middlo did when he took over from the last bloke?

Edited July 19, 2013 by pandorum

[IainB]

The BSPA treat Team GB as an add on for one week of the year

Not even that anymore judging by the coverage last night's display has got on the BSPA website... perhaps it was a bad dream and hasn't really happened

[Aces51]

What we need is a Team Manager who can see that there is no point persevering with the likes of Barker and Kennett, accepts that we are not going to achieve anything at the moment and who can identify, nurture and motivate the best talent and give them every opportunity to achieve their potential.

 

Middleditch is clearly not that man. He told us that he believes we should pick the strongest team possible, which he didn't do anyway. His philosophy may be acceptable if we were in with a realistic chance of winning something but not if the predictable reality is that we were going to be also rans.

 

There are riders out there, Cook, Worrall, Howarth, Birks etc., who have the potential to be better than what we have now but who need to be introduced as soon as they have reached a level where they can gain from the experience of riding in the SWC. We shall continue to decline if we ignore them or, drop them after one meeting.

[noggin]

Isn't it obvious why the latvians done quite well? they are used to big tracks, we in this country have too many small or medium sized tracks for our boys to hone their skills and setups, Put Latvia up against GB at lakeside or any number of out tracks and we'd win every time, We always go to these tracks abroad and lack nous and horsepower, our guys are just as skillful, just not on big tracks, so until we have somewhere that resembles a WTC type track with extensive training time we will languish, IMHO.

[skeletor]

Although I think Middlo got his tactics wrong last night,it seem laughable to suggest theres anyone else that could've done any better.Does anyone really believe that Rossiter,Havelock and co could get anymore from our riders.Lets face facts our riders,apart from Woffinden, just aren't up to the job,and we are being overtaken by nations who on the face of things have much more meager budgets than us.

Not hard to beat the usa. So to say someone can't do better is laughable

[stratton]

Muddlo has to go...No question about it.

 

The bloke couldn't even be arsed to go to an FIM seminar to get accreditation for a Team Manager's licence.....So he wasn't even our manager anyway, even though he was pretending to be.

 

Anyone who thinks picking Kennett on Monday, or letting Barker anywhere near the British team, is a good idea should never be given a team manager's licence.

 

Apart from not having a licence and being clueless as to which riders to select, he seems to have no tactical or motivational skills.

 

 

But once Muddlo has gone, please let's not talk about halfwits like Rosco or Havelock as his replacement. They're just people who want to see themselves on telly and are in it for the ego trip. They have nothing to offer the job.

 

Phil Morris is a good choice. He knows the young British riders and is working with the youth set up.

There are also plenty of tactically aware managers at club level who do good motivational jobs without the publicity of forcing their faces onto the TV screen at every opportunity.

 

Probably a pairing of Phil Morris together with a manager from the PL who has seen/is seeing the likes of Cook, Worrall, Howarth, Ellis, Lambert progress would be the best option.

Put God in charge it would still be a tough job,except we are not anough at the moment maybe go a different route but i don't see things ever changing in my lifetime. Edited July 19, 2013 by sidney

[rob tatum]

HAVELOCK as team manager !!!!!??? The stephen hawking of speedway the team would need an interpreter and someone with a large stick to keep him and the team awake. How about Keith Heuwen !!!!! Or the fill in bloke on eurosport.

[cyclone]

Isn't it obvious why the latvians done quite well? they are used to big tracks, we in this country have too many small or medium sized tracks for our boys to hone their skills and setups, Put Latvia up against GB at lakeside or any number of out tracks and we'd win every time, We always go to these tracks abroad and lack nous and horsepower, our guys are just as skillful, just not on big tracks, so until we have somewhere that resembles a WTC type track with extensive training time we will languish, IMHO.

 

Valid observations.

 

Viewing the broadcast meetings from Denmark, Sweden & Poland regularly, I find the matches on our smaller tracks are more entertaining to watch, with more emphasis on passing, than gating and high speed that occurs on the Continent.

 

 

One of the attractions of UK Speedway is the wide variations in track sizes and shapes, whereas in the rest of Europe there does appear to be more standardisation inasmuch that they are generally longer and wider.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

personally i think we should always put our best rider out in heat 1 so we get off to a good start .however we didnt and made a dreadfull start. then i think we made a mistake notputting woffy on a double score race in heat 3 .it was one of his easiest races and had we done it we would of been either in the lead or on level scores for the first half the meeting and the difference between winning and losing in speedway is often the belief ,if we had that belief because we were winning instead of chasing the pack the outcome could of been different. but hey ho were out and nothing will change . all the riders give their all but we just need that little something

[Gavan]

You mean like Middlo did when he took over from the last bloke?

the last bloke was actually Rob Lyon.had the foresight and the focus but wasnt nodding dog like Middlo sadly. we will go nowhere with him in charge

[stratton]

I think it's blatantly obvious that we are anything but a Speedway super-power at the moment. Similarly it's blatantly obvious that we should not be losing to teams like the Latvian and American sides on display last night.

 

In my view, Middlo is a poor Team Manager at both club and international level. He is tactically woeful and appears to lack the required levels of drive and man-management to get the best from the limited resources he has.

 

Team GB are about the 5th strongest nation when all are at full strength, any finish below that is unacceptable and an under-achievement.

 

The BSPA treat Team GB as an add on for one week of the year and the whole setup is geared in that fashion. Middlo appears to have no ambition or appetite to challenge that and put am infrastructure in place to improve things. That's what a Team GB Team Manager job is about, not picking a bunch or riders and holding a clipboard for a week in July.

 

Middleditch treats the job with the same apathy as the Management Committe and must go.

Dont agree Frigbo, and now to be honest is the right time to have a total rethink.IF you think a change of team manager would make a mega amount of difference i am not convinced.We are not good anough end of ok we might have finished 3rd or 2nd but we have our limitations we need to rebuild Middleditch as a manager is not bad his record is there to be seen Rob Lyon what has he ever done talks well that's it.

[Fromafar]

Surely Middlo could have manipulated the scoring with barker and Bridger later in the meeting to bring in Tai,without dropping Harris.Not that it would have made much difference but at least try and use the rules to your best advantage.Hancock is hardly a pushover to use a tactical against.

[Starman2006]

I think it's blatantly obvious that we are anything but a Speedway super-power at the moment. Similarly it's blatantly obvious that we should not be losing to teams like the Latvian and American sides on display last night.

 

In my view, Middlo is a poor Team Manager at both club and international level. He is tactically woeful and appears to lack the required levels of drive and man-management to get the best from the limited resources he has.

 

Team GB are about the 5th strongest nation when all are at full strength, any finish below that is unacceptable and an under-achievement.

 

The BSPA treat Team GB as an add on for one week of the year and the whole setup is geared in that fashion. Middlo appears to have no ambition or appetite to challenge that and put am infrastructure in place to improve things. That's what a Team GB Team Manager job is about, not picking a bunch or riders and holding a clipboard for a week in July.

 

Middleditch treats the job with the same apathy as the Management Committe and must go.

 

Well you would say that wouldn't you, coming from Swindon. And if Scott Nicholls could have been arsed to ride Tai didn't run a last and Bombers Kill switch didn't come out we may have have done better. Tai and Bomber appart, Bottom line is, although i was very impressed with Bridgers attitude, and Barker tried and could have scored more, they are patently not good enough, NEITHER is Worrell Cook and even King and Kennett, and anybody else you can think of... We are a mile behind the other Europeans, But thats not Neils fault, he can only work with the riders at his disposal. And don't say, well it depends how he uses them, the bottom line is we are not, good enough.. You can't turn a selling plater into a Derby horse. Simples..

[MattK]

Well you would say that wouldn't you, coming from Swindon. And if Scott Nicholls could have been arsed to ride Tai didn't run a last and Bombers Kill switch didn't come out we may have have done better. Tai and Bomber appart, Bottom line is, although i was very impressed with Bridgers attitude, and Barker tried and could have scored more, they are patently not good enough, NEITHER is Worrell Cook and even King and Kennett, and anybody else you can think of... We are a mile behind the other Europeans, But thats not Neils fault, he can only work with the riders at his disposal. And don't say, well it depends how he uses them, the bottom line is we are not, good enough.. You can't turn a selling plater into a Derby horse. Simples..

 

The fact is, we're not miles behind USA or Latvia, in fact 9 times out of ten you'd expect the English riders to beat their Latvian or American counterparts.

 

However, for some reason we massively under-performed on the night. Either they weren't prepared or they weren't up for it. Unlike the Latvians and the Yanks.

 

One way or another the management have to accept at least some of the blame for last night's performance.