Please Go Middlo

[Starman2006]

Kennett was worse than abysmal. Cook I would suggest let himself down. Anyone who has seen him ride this season would wonder if it was the same rider.

 

Middlo says before the meeting tonight "The world cup is an event where you have to field your best side. Now hopefully I've got the best side here".

 

To me that is him saying I made a mess of Monday (I failed) now I am rolling the dice again (failed by bad selection / tactics).

 

Resign

 

Why was it bad selection and tatics. Please enlighten us all??

 

Do you really need someone tell you why the USA are weak ? we did not just got beat we came 4th to third world nations in speedway ...no point going on about lack of depth and engine tuners etc etc as the teams that beat us are worst off on all fronts to us .Middlo also made complete mess of the tac ride as well everyone bar you saw that as well as getting the team wrong both times .

 

I don't really think that is a valid answer to the question..

[Gavan]

Scott didn't want to ride Gav, and that had nothing to do with Middlo.

correct that's why I put bspa as well

[TheReturn]

I am not Middleditch fan but to be fair he has no tools to play with, why not ?

 

But he could have picked a better team at KIngs Lynn, by not selecting the out of form Kennett. We could all see it, and we are nothing more than 'idiot BSF fans', so him being a speedway man should have known it, and picked another rider.

 

I am not saying another selection would have helped us qualify, but it proved whoever picked the team for KIngs Lynn failed. The handling of Cook seems inept too.

[orion]

 

 

Why was it bad selection and tatics. Please enlighten us all??

 

 

 

I don't really think that is a valid answer to the question..

Of course it is ...was there any supporter out there tonight that thought we would come last tonight and get beat by the usa ? of course not, but then you come along and start talking about the result being the same no matter what we did and we got beat because of lack of depth etc ...even thou the teams we got beat by are much worst off than us on that score .

[waiheke1]

Of course it is ...was there any supporter out there tonight that thought we would come last tonight and get beat by the usa ? of course not, but then you come along and start talking about the result being the same no matter what we did and we got beat because of lack of depth etc ...even thou the teams we got beat by are much worst off than us on that score .

of course the result was worse than we expected.

but can you specify what tactics you think were wrong? (i agree selections were)

[Rico]

 

 

Why was it bad selection and tatics. Please enlighten us all??

 

I believe I have covered off selection.

 

Tactically, you have a 2 man team as it transpires. Let's replace rider number 2 with rider number one against a bloke who looks nigh on unbeatable. Let's throw a point away to let us replace a rider when our chance has already gone. Barkers focus should have been on winning the race, which from the position he was in out the gate, he (if he was worthy of inclusion in the first place) should have won.

 

Enough for you or do you want to carry on blindly defending?

[Starman2006]

I believe I have covered off selection.

 

Tactically, you have a 2 man team as it transpires. Let's replace rider number 2 with rider number one against a bloke who looks nigh on unbeatable. Let's throw a point away to let us replace a rider when our chance has already gone. Barkers focus should have been on winning the race, which from the position he was in out the gate, he (if he was worthy of inclusion in the first place) should have won.

 

Enough for you or do you want to carry on blindly defending?

 

Utter garbage, Barker was trying to help the team tactically.

[waiheke1]

I believe I have covered off selection.

 

Tactically, you have a 2 man team as it transpires. Let's replace rider number 2 with rider number one against a bloke who looks nigh on unbeatable. Let's throw a point away to let us replace a rider when our chance has already gone. Barkers focus should have been on winning the race, which from the position he was in out the gate, he (if he was worthy of inclusion in the first place) should have won.

 

Enough for you or do you want to carry on blindly defending?

so, where would you have used the tactical/joker ride. Per my post above there were three options - which would you have used?

[Arson fire]

 

 

I believe I have covered off selection.

 

Tactically, you have a 2 man team as it transpires. Let's replace rider number 2 with rider number one against a bloke who looks nigh on unbeatable. Let's throw a point away to let us replace a rider when our chance has already gone. Barkers focus should have been on winning the race, which from the position he was in out the gate, he (if he was worthy of inclusion in the first place) should have won.

 

Enough for you or do you want to carry on blindly defending?

when else could we have used the joker?? We had to do something because heats were running out and we may not have got another chance.... Hindsight is a wonderful thing, if it had of worked you would probably be tucked up, content in bed by now.

[Rico]

 

 

Utter garbage, Barker was trying to help the team tactically.

So going from first to third was clever tactics?

 

The race started when the tapes went up. Barker lead the race. Wise to drop to third?

 

Go on, give me your logic.

[Starman2006]

when else could we have used the joker?? We had to do something because heats were running out and we may not have got another chance.... Hindsight is a wonderful thing, if it had of worked you would probably be tucked up, content in bed by now.

 

No probably about it mate, definately...

 

So going from first to third was clever tactics?

 

The race started when the tapes went up. Barker lead the race. Wise to drop to third?

 

Go on, give me your logic.

 

If you watched the meeting and listened to the comentary you would know why he went from 1st to 3rd..

[Rico]

when else could we have used the joker?? We had to do something because heats were running out and we may not have got another chance.... Hindsight is a wonderful thing, if it had of worked you would probably be tucked up, content in bed by now.

 

I whizzed through the meeting tonight on fast forward, but if allowed I would have used joker in heat 3. Could have sworn I heard Middlo suggest it was a consideration. Look at the lineup for the race. Ultimately you can only ever earn your team 3 extra points.

 

If you watched the meeting and listened to the comentary you would know why he went from 1st to 3rd..

Right, please in your own terms tell me what the logic of throwing away 2 points at that stage of the meeting was. Ignore what you listened to and explain to me what the benefit of throwing the points away was. Come on, think it through.

 

 

[orion]

 

of course the result was worse than we expected.

but can you specify what tactics you think were wrong? (i agree selections were)

Well the tac sub should have been used in heat 3 I thought everyone knew that the reason being that we might not have had the chance again and it was are best rider without hancock in gate 1 .

[tellboy]

Must admit didn't get Middlo's tactics tonight especially the Ben Barker one.We should have been 3 pts behind with 3 to go,but no lets go 6 behind with 3 to go.Expecting Batchelor,Ward and Woodward to get 3 between them and Harris and Tai to get 9.If you are only expecting the Aussies to pick up 3pts from the last 3 I would have been much happier seeing Bridger,Harris and Tai only having to pick up 6 pts.

[waiheke1]

Well the tac sub should have been used in heat 3 I thought everyone knew that the reason being that we might not have had the chance again and it was are best rider without hancock in gate 1 .

fair enough, i didn't think it could be used in first four heats, however it appears i was wrong.

 

That said im not sure i would have used It then. in some ways its a waste to use only as a joker (max 3 point gain) rather than a tactical joker with a potential 6 point swing.

In hindsight yours would have been a better option, but i can certainly understand why middlo didn't do it

Edited July 19, 2013 by waihekeaces1

[Mark]

Middlo has a tough job with a limited pool of riders but he made some absurd calls.

 

Why pick an out of form Kennett. Why not use Tai as a tactical on race 3. It was early in the meeting but an easy race for a world class rider. I cant be bothered adding more. Spitting feathers

[T.N.T.]

TIME FOR MIDDLO TO GO !! ......... WHY ?

 

Let's face it, he was on a hiding to nothing as only Tai Woffinden is world class and Chris Harris capable of mixing it in this class of field.

 

Perhaps if we had Scott Nicholls on a bike instead of on a mike or Daniel King in Czecho instead of at home we may have scored a few more ...... who knows ! but to be fair Lewis Bridger tried hard and gained two good second places before his crash while Ben Barker on his own bikes was not on the pace and was a mistake to be bought in.

 

 

We put out the best we have (or Middlo thought we had) while Australia, Sweden, Russia and Poland went into the qualifiers with big names missing and we still couldn't match them let alone beat them. Could Phil Morris, Alun Rossiter, Pete Adams or Gary Havelock have selected a stronger team ..... unlikely.

 

 

I will however question the tactics. Why take out Chris Harris who after a mechanical problem had scored 5 points from his next two races while Ben Barker was given all five programmed rides. Bomber should have been kept in and to put Tai in as a tactical in a race containing the awesome Greg Hancock was a mistake.

 

Maybe use Bomber as the Joker ? ..... probably not as that would have stopped Tai coming in to replace Barker soon after and possibly then used the Joker.

 

 

Overall Australia deserved the win as they had four riders in the mix with obviously Darcy way out ahead. Latvia deserved credit for a great performance from a young team who will get better while USA again relied to heavily on Greg Hancock but at least had Ryan Fisher bacing him up this time. Wonder what they would have scored had Billy Hamill and Sam Ermolenko had been riding ?

 

 

So overall. Could anyone have done much more for Team GB last night than Middlo did. Answer is No.

[BADGER69]

You can go on all you like but this is a new low for British speedway, we are rubbish take team woofy out and well. Its impossible to say an out of form Kennett could not have got three points from five rides The Australians had Noddy missing and still won the ride offs.The Yanks had riders missing and a young rider Hancock scored 20 points. If Bridger a Barker are the future of Britsh speedway DONT BOTHER. Is it time for Middlo to go only he can answer that.

[xmas]

The bottom line is we are not good be enough full stop and should never ever be on the world stage with that team

 

Middle can only use the riders he has and they just now are not upto world cup racing

 

Doesn't matter who the manager is the riders apart from Tai are not ready

 

Put Jose morinio with torquay United players would he win the champions league I very much doubt it

[JC!]

Must admit didn't get Middlo's tactics tonight especially the Ben Barker one.We should have been 3 pts behind with 3 to go,but no lets go 6 behind with 3 to go.Expecting Batchelor,Ward and Woodward to get 3 between them and Harris and Tai to get 9.If you are only expecting the Aussies to pick up 3pts from the last 3 I would have been much happier seeing Bridger,Harris and Tai only having to pick up 6 pts.

Its pretty simple, he was overtaken by the aussie fair and square, then believed that we had better chances being 6 behind than 5 as harris could have 2 further races. Thus, the team orders must have been 'if you're behind the aussies -come 3rd'.

Edited July 19, 2013 by JC!