Chris Brown Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 I find it bizarre that speedway fans think that what riders are paid in sponsorship, points money or frankly anything else to do with their personal finances is any of their business I buy the Speedway Star but as a customer I do not see it as my business to know what Philip Rising is paid, can't think of any reason why I would to know either to be honest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 No, the great thing about journalists is their fantastic ability to juggle as many double standards as possible just to sell copy. All at the same time. No story is complete without including a person's age, their house price and wherever possible their earnings. Right or wrong is irrelevant. Any possible detail of finances is included in a story for the simple reason that most readers want to know it. Even though no one admits it. 'We' are above all that. It's 'them' that want to know. You know. Those people who are 'no better than they ought'. And quite right no journalist would want to tell anyone how much they were paid. But Wayne Rooney. He's fair game. Anyone who 'respects' Monsters right to keep such things a secret. Is perfectly entiltled to do so But no one will confiscate their NUJ card for revealing all that they know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 I find it bizarre that speedway fans think that what riders are paid in sponsorship, points money or frankly anything else to do with their personal finances is any of their business I buy the Speedway Star but as a customer I do not see it as my business to know what Philip Rising is paid, can't think of any reason why I would to know either to be honest I agree to an extent. When I was going to speedway I didn't care if the promoter made, or lost, a fortune. Likewise i didn't really care whether the riders made or lost money. I only cared that I was entertained to the value of the admission I paid. So while you may be right that we have no real right to know what a rider/promoter is earning they are quick enough to tell all and sundry when they are losing money and expecting the public to help bail them out. Surely transparency is a two way thing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 I mean't - what was on the Riders Pay Slip has nothing to do with us - and I don't think it has............................. How would YOU like your Pay Slip published on here for all in sundry to see Humphrey? I could post mine if you like, it would give everyone a good chuckle im a postie btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 (edited) I mean't - what was on the Riders Pay Slip has nothing to do with us - and I don't think it has............................. We're not asking how much individual riders get paid, but the value of sponsorship of one commercial company by another. Entirely different matter, especially as there's a degree of public interest in how much the FIM accrues and where it goes. Doesn't matter how many times the question is asked if the people don't want to answer. And, as WTK, says why should they? Most companies with significant sponsorships normally want to trumpet them to high heaven. No they don't have to tell anyone, and the public doesn't particularly have a right to know about. Nevertheless, it's usually easy enough for interested people to find out in due course, and indeed sections of the media are devoted to such matters. Edited July 28, 2013 by Humphrey Appleby 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 I find it bizarre that speedway fans think that what riders are paid in sponsorship, points money or frankly anything else to do with their personal finances is any of their business I buy the Speedway Star but as a customer I do not see it as my business to know what Philip Rising is paid, can't think of any reason why I would to know either to be honest The salaries of the players in the professional sports leagues in North America are public for all to see. What is stopping speedway from doing the same? Why a need for such secrecy? After all it us fans and sponsors that are the ones that are paying the riders salaries aren't it? So why shouldn't we be allowed to know how much salary we are paying? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 The salaries of the players in the professional sports leagues in North America are public for all to see. What is stopping speedway from doing the same? Why a need for such secrecy? After all it us fans and sponsors that are the ones that are paying the riders salaries aren't it? So why shouldn't we be allowed to know how much salary we are paying? I await seeing your Pay details on here with interest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 I await seeing your Pay details on here with interest. What does my pay details have to do with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 I await seeing your Pay details on here with interest. Well a Permanent Under-Secretary earns between 150K and 250K, if that helps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Shouldn't take too long to work out what I earn. Senior Analyst Developer (or Technical Analyst) in central Bristol. 2 minutes on each of monster.co.uk, jobsite.co.uk and totaljobs.co.uk should give you a very good idea. Now where can I go to find out what a speedway rider earns? I don't wnat to know the specifics of a particular rider, just a general figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Whatever they earn. It's never enough. Most of us don't do a job where an early grave, areally bad limp or a life in a wheelchair is a distinct possibility just so a bunch of people in a stadium or sitting in front of the telly can be entertained. Of course sponsorship is different. We fans knowing how much Monster or anybody else for that matter give speedway is certainly no intrusion of privacy. Speedway is probably slightly embarrassed to release these figures as they are probably so low when you compare them to sponsorships in other sports both major and minor. Speedway is certainly a poor relation when it comes to sponsorship. Monster probably don't give much money up front and seduce speedway with talk of a higher profile and some free energy drinks. I would imagine the sports hierachy are just glad when someone notices they exist and buy them lunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Most of us don't do a job where an early grave, areally bad limp or a life in a wheelchair is a distinct possibility just so a bunch of people in a stadium or sitting in front of the telly can be entertained.They don't do it so we can be entertained. They do it because they get a buzz, they love the crwods and the hero worshiping (yet hate the slightest bit of critisim!) and they get paid well. But how well is "well"? Maybe they dont earn enough, none of us know, this is the point. When a rider or promoter is moaning they have no money we're expected to believe it but have no way of working out if thats even remotly possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 What does my pay details have to do with this? Just that you seem very interested in what Speedway Riders are getting. I don't believe that this is any of our business and I was making the point that I wonder how YOU would like to have YOUR Pay details on this Forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 On the sites and forums that deal with my specific profession. There is quite a bit of discussion regarding the sources and levels of funding that are available for different purposes. We are quite open and that informs the debate to the benefit of us all. As yet I have not been asked about the values of Speedway sponsorship on those sites. Funny that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Just that you seem very interested in what Speedway Riders are getting. I don't believe that this is any of our business and I was making the point that I wonder how YOU would like to have YOUR Pay details on this Forum. Slightly differant i think. People know what footballers earn and so on. Most in the sport know roughly what top speedway riders earn and its quite a bit. Yes there are dangers but so is there in other sports with engines and without. Monster provide all the razz and so on but no cash. Bsi want the association to try and bring in big paying players. Monster want to sell more drinks and get more fans of the brand. This came from the top so believe it or not, up to you but why woulld they lie or is that just everyone in speedway Oh and before you ask, no i dont earn enough and should be on more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Slightly differant i think. People know what footballers earn and so on. Most in the sport know roughly what top speedway riders earn and its quite a bit. Yes there are dangers but so is there in other sports with engines and without. Monster provide all the razz and so on but no cash. Bsi want the association to try and bring in big paying players. Monster want to sell more drinks and get more fans of the brand. This came from the top so believe it or not, up to you but why woulld they lie or is that just everyone in speedway Oh and before you ask, no i dont earn enough and should be on more I love your final Comment. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Maybe they dont earn enough, none of us know, this is the point. I think we have a reasonable idea of wages for various categories of rider in Britain, but earnings are also dependent on how many other leagues they do, how many meetings they miss through injury, personal sponsorships, and so forth... What's clear is that the general levels of wages are more than be sustained from revenues alone, and that ultimately determines what they 'deserve' to be paid. When a rider or promoter is moaning they have no money we're expected to believe it but have no way of working out if thats even remotly possible A few years ago I looked into the financial condition of most of the BEL promotions at the time, and I must say that I'm now more sceptical about these sorts of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 A few years ago I looked into the financial condition of most of the BEL promotions at the time, and I must say that I'm now more sceptical about these sorts of things. If ti was that bad we'd not see the likes od CVS and Machin hanging around for years. Yes some clubs stuggle but you only have to look at their crowds of 250 to work that out. Like you, I'm very dubious of a lot of the "we're broke" that we hear from some clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Whatever they earn. It's never enough. Most of us don't do a job where an early grave, areally bad limp or a life in a wheelchair is a distinct possibility just so a bunch of people in a stadium or sitting in front of the telly can be entertained. Of course sponsorship is different. We fans knowing how much Monster or anybody else for that matter give speedway is certainly no intrusion of privacy. Speedway is probably slightly embarrassed to release these figures as they are probably so low when you compare them to sponsorships in other sports both major and minor. Speedway is certainly a poor relation when it comes to sponsorship. Monster probably don't give much money up front and seduce speedway with talk of a higher profile and some free energy drinks. I would imagine the sports hierachy are just glad when someone notices they exist and buy them lunch Not this old **** again. Are Holder and Ward entertaining anyone when they're off out on their motocross bike or their jetskis? They do it because they enjoy it. Getting paid is a bonus that allows them to do it as a career. Just that you seem very interested in what Speedway Riders are getting. I don't believe that this is any of our business and I was making the point that I wonder how YOU would like to have YOUR Pay details on this Forum. Does this forum contribute towards his wages? No it doesn't. However speedway fans are contributing towards riders wages. As he said, its fully transparent in the US, its hardly a major issue is it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Not this old **** again. Are Holder and Ward entertaining anyone when they're off out on their motocross bike or their jetskis? They do it because they enjoy it. Getting paid is a bonus that allows them to do it as a career. Does this forum contribute towards his wages? No it doesn't. However speedway fans are contributing towards riders wages. As he said, its fully transparent in the US, its hardly a major issue is it! I for one never take for granted what all riders do for us put there neck on the line every time.If anything riders at all levels deserve to be paid more in my book never forget what poor souls have paid the ultimate price to entertain us.! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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