World Cup Race Off - 18th July 2013

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

On a side note some of Batchelor's riding has been pretty reckless. Love to see him try it against Pedersen in the final lol

yes please - that would be worth watching!!

[Grand Central]

On a side note some of Batchelor's riding has been pretty reckless. Love to see him try it against Pedersen in the final lol

 

Watch out for Perdersen when he is off gate four.

If he doesn't make the start.

What is the betting on a graceful glide to earth, followed by the 'lazing on the beach' for 90 seconds to play for a rerun?

 

Let's hope the German ref is up to the job tonight.

[StevePark]

Watch out for Perdersen when he is off gate four.

If he doesn't make the start.

What is the betting on a graceful glide to earth, followed by the 'lazing on the beach' for 90 seconds to play for a rerun?

 

Let's hope the German ref is up to the job tonight.

The German ref would surely have already put his beach towel down?

[PHILIPRISING]

If its anything like his comedy doudle act with Pearson a damn sight worse than Middlo did

 

FOR starters Tatum would sit down with Lewis Bridger and tell him why even when he makes the jump from the tapes he still doesn't get to the first corner, why he should look at Nicki Pedersen and Greg Hancock and understand why they consistently make such tremendous starts. Kelvin was probably one of the most natural starters I have seen in 50 years but he still took on board advice from the likes of Barry Briggs and Malcolm Simmons.

 

He knows how to ride a speedway bike. Young cricketers in the England team are still coached and taught the arts of batting or bowling. What do speedway riders get. With respect, messrs Middleditch and Morris don't have that knowledge. I have just had lunch with Kelvin here in Prague and was fascinated by his insight into the likes of Barker (a trier, will never be international grade but why are his bikes so slow), Bridger (technique all wrong).

 

What is worrying is that while there does appear to be one or two youngsters coming through, who is going to teach them right from wrong? As Ivan Mauger said years ago: all they do is perfect their bad habits. They did proper schooling, as Erik Gundersen does in Denmark, and Billy Hamill does in the USA.

 

I watched Greg Hancock at both KL and Prague, not just patting his team-mates on the bum as they went out to the track, but talking to them about how to do this and that.

[Shale Shaker]

FOR starters Tatum would sit down with Lewis Bridger and tell him why even when he makes the jump from the tapes he still doesn't get to the first corner, why he should look at Nicki Pedersen and Greg Hancock and understand why they consistently make such tremendous starts. Kelvin was probably one of the most natural starters I have seen in 50 years but he still took on board advice from the likes of Barry Briggs and Malcolm Simmons.

 

He knows how to ride a speedway bike. Young cricketers in the England team are still coached and taught the arts of batting or bowling. What do speedway riders get. With respect, messrs Middleditch and Morris don't have that knowledge. I have just had lunch with Kelvin here in Prague and was fascinated by his insight into the likes of Barker (a trier, will never be international grade but why are his bikes so slow), Bridger (technique all wrong).

 

What is worrying is that while there does appear to be one or two youngsters coming through, who is going to teach them right from wrong? As Ivan Mauger said years ago: all they do is perfect their bad habits. They did proper schooling, as Erik Gundersen does in Denmark, and Billy Hamill does in the USA.

 

I watched Greg Hancock at both KL and Prague, not just patting his team-mates on the bum as they went out to the track, but talking to them about how to do this and that.

 

So has Kelvin offered his services?

It sounds as though he needs to get involved with the GB lads somehow.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

 

 

FOR starters Tatum would sit down with Lewis Bridger and tell him why even when he makes the jump from the tapes he still doesn't get to the first corner, why he should look at Nicki Pedersen and Greg Hancock and understand why they consistently make such tremendous starts. Kelvin was probably one of the most natural starters I have seen in 50 years but he still took on board advice from the likes of Barry Briggs and Malcolm Simmons.

im not denying kelvins talents as a rider or tuner but if he is that good why was he never speedway world champion? .my answer to that would be as good a rider as he was he didnt have the capacity to manipulate situations. some of what you say about bridger and barker is correct butnot all . nicki pedersen is an example .even on a slow bike you can never dicount him. he hasnt got a natural style but he makes the opposition know he is there .when you race against nicki you KNOW your against nicki and thats the way he wants it and has made it and in speedway at the top level you need to be 100% focused on winning and when 10% of that is focused on nicki you give him that extra. this can be said of mauger,olsen,rickardsson ,penhall, nielsen in fact all of the multi world champs. all of them had the capacity to manipulate. if kelvin or anybody else for that matter has got something to bring to the table then why are they not doing it?. is it a money thing or a closed shop issue Edited July 20, 2013 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[Starman2006]

No I won't .

As I don't think I ever offered any opinion whatsoever on that matter.

That is a construct of your own making.

 

Difficult for some of us though it may be.

I think with a litlle counselling we will have to get used to Team GB without Neil.

He must be allowed to move away.

There is nothing more he can or could do.

 

Nobody could do anything different to what Neil did, of course, i wouldn't expect you to believe that.. We are simply miles behind the rest of the European countries. and one other useless piece of imformation, no Elite League, no Team GB. Then perhaps all the "So called" Team managers on here will be really happy.. But then, you'l have nothing to moan about.. Oh ang on, there's always Poole and Matt Ford..

All that said, the most pleasing aspect for me was to see Bridger ride the bike properly taking it seriously and not showboating.

Edited July 20, 2013 by Starman2006

[Gavan]

Nobody could do anything different to what Neil did, of course, i wouldn't expect you to believe that.. We are simply miles behind the rest of the European countries. and one other useless piece of imformation, no Elite League, no Team GB. Then perhaps all the "So called" Team managers on here will be really happy.. But then, you'l have nothing to moan about.. Oh ang on, there's always Poole and Matt Ford..

All that said, the most pleasing aspect for me was to see Bridger ride the bike properly taking it seriously and not showboating.

sorry dont agree with that at all. correct we only have a select band of riders to choose from and we not going to beat the danes and the poles. but simply.......

 

Did he pick the correct team in either match.......................................NO

Did he generate team spirit...............................................................NO

Did he get his tactics in the race off right.............................................NO

Is he bringing through younger riders....................................................NO

 

As i have said football teams change their manager they dont change the players but the manager gets the best out of what he has and Middlo, nice guy that he seems, doesnt!

[PHILIPRISING]

im not denying kelvins talents as a rider or tuner but if he is that good why was he never speedway world champion? .my answer to that would be as good a rider as he was he didnt have the capacity to manipulate situations. some of what you say about bridger and barker is correct butnot all . nicki pedersen is an example .even on a slow bike you can never dicount him. he hasnt got a natural style but he makes the opposition know he is there .when you race against nicki you KNOW your against nicki and thats the way he wants it and has made it and in speedway at the top level you need to be 100% focused on winning and when 10% of that is focused on nicki you give him that extra. this can be said of mauger,olsen,rickardsson ,penhall, nielsen in fact all of the multi world champs. all of them had the capacity to manipulate. if kelvin or anybody else for that matter has got something to bring to the table then why are they not doing it?. is it a money thing or a closed shop issue

 

PROBABLY because no one has asked. He doesn't want to be GB team manager but I know he would help with 'coaching' if asked and if riders were prepared to listen. Many British boys think they know it all as soon as they slide a bike.

 

Incidentally, perhaps you should actually take a look at Kelvin's record but that doesn't tell the whole story anyway. He is a very keen student of speedway (amongst many motorsports and cycling), the techniques of riding, the mechanical side, and has the ability to impart that knowledge.

 

But sadly in Britain the promoters don't really see the value of a successful GB team. One told me "why should I invest in the future when I probably won't be running a track next year."

[A ORLOV]

PROBABLY because no one has asked. He doesn't want to be GB team manager but I know he would help with 'coaching' if asked and if riders were prepared to listen. Many British boys think they know it all as soon as they slide a bike.

 

Incidentally, perhaps you should actually take a look at Kelvin's record but that doesn't tell the whole story anyway. He is a very keen student of speedway (amongst many motorsports and cycling), the techniques of riding, the mechanical side, and has the ability to impart that knowledge.

 

But sadly in Britain the promoters don't really see the value of a successful GB team. One told me "why should I invest in the future when I probably won't be running a track next year."

Your last paragraph confirms why the BSPA should have nothing to do with Team GB. A separate body would be the way forward, but only if the funding can be found. Then as mentioned by others test matches at home and in Europe, training facilities and even meetings against EL clubs.

 

If the "squad" of current and future GB riders are encouraged to ride for clubs in Europe, which is a good idea, will they have any time for test matches etc.

 

May be prospective GB riders should have followed the example of Denmark and had a weeks camp and training before the start of the season.

Edited July 20, 2013 by A ORLOV

[pugwash]

sorry dont agree with that at all. correct we only have a select band of riders to choose from and we not going to beat the danes and the poles. but simply.......

 

Did he pick the correct team in either match.......................................NO

Did he generate team spirit...............................................................NO

Did he get his tactics in the race off right.............................................NO

Is he bringing through younger riders....................................................NO

 

As i have said football teams change their manager they dont change the players but the manager gets the best out of what he has and Middlo, nice guy that he seems, doesnt!

You forgot:-

Is he the Poole Manager.............................YES.

[Starman2006]

You forgot:-

Is he the Poole Manager.............................YES.

 

Your wasting your breath mate. Many on here are so anti poole its untrue, those chips on there shoulders must arf be starting to weight them down now.

[pandorum]

im not denying kelvins talents as a rider or tuner but if he is that good why was he never speedway world champion? .my answer to that would be as good a rider as he was he didnt have the capacity to manipulate situations. some of what you say about bridger and barker is correct butnot all . nicki pedersen is an example .even on a slow bike you can never dicount him. he hasnt got a natural style but he makes the opposition know he is there .when you race against nicki you KNOW your against nicki and thats the way he wants it and has made it and in speedway at the top level you need to be 100% focused on winning and when 10% of that is focused on nicki you give him that extra. this can be said of mauger,olsen,rickardsson ,penhall, nielsen in fact all of the multi world champs. all of them had the capacity to manipulate. if kelvin or anybody else for that matter has got something to bring to the table then why are they not doing it?. is it a money thing or a closed shop issue

 

He does know what it takes to be world champion as he won the Long Track version 3 times. And plenty of riders did not make it to #1 in the world in the short track version. Are you saying Leigh Adams did not have what it takes?

 

'he didnt have the capacity to manipulate situations' says nothing in reality as that could imply Kelvin was clueless when it came to building a raft out of a bag full of everyday items to cross a river.

If you are saying he was clueless at speedway then you don't really have a clue what you are talking about.

 

These mysterious 'situations' that Kel is no good at manipulating and Nicki Pedersen is seems interesting.

Could you highlight a few of them so we can understand exactly what Kel is lacking other than some riders ARE better than he was or could afford better equipment.

 

We can all throw names about and say X was never as good as Y but that does not mean Y didn't have a clue.

Kel is thouroughly knowledgable when it come to the sport as is Gary Havelock who seems to 'not have the capacity to manipulate situations' either, when he is put forward, especially in the talking with a posh accent situation.

 

Guys like Havvy and Kel are exactly the sort of people the sport here needs.

But sadly their lack of 'having the capacity to manipulate situations' willforever be a major barrier to them fulfilling their destiny.

Oh the Humanity!

[Grand Central]

Nobody could do anything different to what Neil did, of course, i wouldn't expect you to believe that.. But then, you'l have nothing to moan about.. Oh ang on, there's always Poole and Matt Ford..

 

I challenge you to find one single post of mine on BSF in which I have offered one word of critcism of Poole or Matt Ford.

You are well wide of that particular mark.

 

Kel is thouroughly knowledgable when it come to the sport as is Gary Havelock

 

Philip Rising is doing very well at keeping us informed of Kelvin's knowledge and studentship of all aspects of the sport; which I could not possibly add to.

But surely Gary Havelock - great rider though he was - cannot accurately be described as similarly 'knowledgeable', can he?

[Trees]

Couldn't Kelvin and/Or Havvy put on some sort of training classes to impart their knowledge during the season?

 

Re the SWC, I still reckon that the promoters of the competition should help out the British boys if they want them to have more success . . . the situation has changed since the days of the comp being co-run by our speedway federations and the FIM (I'm guessing that's how things were organised?) . . .

[PHILIPRISING]

IF the promoters (BSI) help the British boys then shouldn't they do the same with other nations. Sweden don't exactly have a rich well of young talent to call upon either.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

 

 

He does know what it takes to be world champion as he won the Long Track version 3 times. And plenty of riders did not make it to #1 in the world in the short track version. Are you saying Leigh Adams did not have what it takes?

 

'he didnt have the capacity to manipulate situations' says nothing in reality as that could imply Kelvin was clueless when it came to building a raft out of a bag full of everyday items to cross a river.

If you are saying he was clueless at speedway then you don't really have a clue what you are talking about.

 

These mysterious 'situations' that Kel is no good at manipulating and Nicki Pedersen is seems interesting.

Could you highlight a few of them so we can understand exactly what Kel is lacking other than some riders ARE better than he was or could afford better equipment.

 

We can all throw names about and say X was never as good as Y but that does not mean Y didn't have a clue.

Kel is thouroughly knowledgable when it come to the sport as is Gary Havelock who seems to 'not have the capacity to manipulate situations' either, when he is put forward, especially in the talking with a posh accent situation.

 

Guys like Havvy and Kel are exactly the sort of people the sport here needs.

But sadly their lack of 'having the capacity to manipulate situations' willforever be a major barrier to them fulfilling their destiny.

Oh the Humanity!

ok obviously you didnt get my point about kelvin .lets put it another way when you have the talent and the best equipment money can buy ,the difference between winning and losing in speedway is a good 100% strong belief in yourself and very few riders over the years have had that and those that have had it have gone on to be multi world champions. . if im wong well its just my opinion .

[Gavan]

You forgot:-

Is he the Poole Manager.............................YES.

what has his Poole situation got to do with team gb. He is fine at Poole with Ward and Holder but as a boss of team gb he falls way below what we need.

 

are you that blinkered just read the posts on the Middlo page!!! its only poole fans who think he should be team gb boss

Edited July 20, 2013 by Gavan

[pandorum]

ok obviously you didnt get my point about kelvin .lets put it another way when you have the talent and the best equipment money can buy ,the difference between winning and losing in speedway is a good 100% strong belief in yourself and very few riders over the years have had that and those that have had it have gone on to be multi world champions. . if im wong well its just my opinion .

 

You have become even dafter. You are now saying that Kelvin Tatum did not have a 100% strong belief in himself as a rider but riders that do go on to become multi world champions just like he did in the Long Track version of the sport.

So you are saying that anyone who does not have this belief is poor at speedway?

I could list a lot of names here who never won a world title or just one but won't as that is as silly as you saying that those people did not have 100% strong belief in themselves as speedway riders.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

 

 

You have become even dafter. You are now saying that Kelvin Tatum did not have a 100% strong belief in himself as a rider but riders that do go on to become multi world champions just like he did in the Long Track version of the sport.

So you are saying that anyone who does not have this belief is poor at speedway?

I could list a lot of names here who never won a world title or just one but won't as that is as silly as you saying that those people did not have 100% strong belief in themselves as speedway riders.

why do sports psycoligists exsist then ? and yes they have been used in speedway but they were not tuning the engines and i didnt say rider who dont have the belief are poor riders i said it can be diffetence between winning and losing. if you have ever raced a speedway bike competitively you will know sitting on that start line the true meaning of belief in yourself to get to that corner 1st no matter who the other 3riders are Edited July 20, 2013 by THE DEAN MACHINE