World Cup Race Off - 18th July 2013

[The Know]

Heres my spin on last night, riders, except tia, just not good enough at this level, poor equipment and not motivated enough. They think they are far better riders than they actually are or will be. Very poor show and quite good we didnt make the final, if we had how badly beaten would we have been by better teams ?

[Mixy230]

Well well well!

Decent meeting results close!

Team GB (As a team) must be embarressed. (Should be anyway)

 

Was Scott sat there thinking "If I was in that we could have qualified" ?!

Tai did ok (You have to have a bad race sometime)

Bomber was ok (Still seems to have some passion for it, but sometimes struggles for speed)

Sorry the other 2 realy not at the races! Did not have the speed, smoothness, racecraft to turn it on for a big meeting (Sorry but its true)

 

The other 3 teams did them selves proud!!!!! Australia through!!!!!!!!!! USA wow (Greg Hancock showed what passion and teamwork can do) !!!!!!!! Latvia fair play to them!!!!!!!!!!

 

And I am patriotic & gutted!!!!!!!!!!

[Triple.H.]

 

 

By the way, didn't Billy Hamill seem to get his team motivated and pulling in the same direction.........

The one thing the USA have always had in abundance is team spirit,the senior riders go out of their way to help the less experienced,very much an all for one and one for all policy.But i think thats just not a speedway thing i think its an American ideology,you have to be PROUD to be an American and when it comes to patriotism they knock us into a cocked hat.

[Trees]

So the promoters of the SWC should put some money into rider development perhaps???? Do they care how TeamGB perform?

[bigcatdiary]

 

 

So, in a nutshell, the sooner the new stadium at Belle Vue comes to fruition, the better. This is going to be styled on the old Hyde Road / Polish tracks and will give us a facility where we can develop British talent.

 

Getting a maximum around Lakeside/Wolves/Belle Vue has no relevance at all when looking at the continental tracks. We've seen a World U-21 champion recently look like a novice at Wolverhampton and then perform really well in the SWC for Poland.

 

PC and Michael Lee were both world champions and used to ride on big British tracks, which set them up well for what they found on the continent. Hopefully, our time will come again

 

 

As you say whilst they allocate the British u21 and main Final to tracks like Lakeside and Wolverhampton nothing will change, it might be a good idea to stage the British Final at Lynn especially if its where GB race in a 2014 SWC round.

 

Some training and practice on learning how to be bloody competitive out of the gate might help as well.

[TheReturn]

 

Also, Please Middlo (or whoever ends up as GB team manager next year) - give some of our younger riders a go. At least then if it goes ** up it's because we're chucking our youth in at the deep end to give them experience at this level.

 

Read a quote from Middlo somewhere whuch says the SWC is not the place to blood young riders, or words along those lines.

[Grand Central]

So the promoters of the SWC should put some money into rider development perhaps???? Do they care how TeamGB perform?

 

Unlikely that they care, in an emotional sense, and even more unlikely that they would do any funding.

But BSI are the only people/business with a vested interest in a competitive GB team at the SWC.

 

I would have thought the BSPA would be quite happy to see the whole competition just evaporate off the calendar.

There is nothing in it for them.

Except the negative impact of it pinching a week out of the fixtures in July when the weather is usually at it's best.

 

 

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Edited July 19, 2013 by Grand Central

[uk_martin]

Well and truly stuffed? We got beat. narrowly, not stuffed.

 

A nation whose governing body has the ego of a "Manchester United" getting beaten by a team with the resources of "Yeovil Town". Yes I think it was a stuffing.

[pandorum]

So the promoters of the SWC should put some money into rider development perhaps???? Do they care how TeamGB perform?

"Latvia may be racing in the SWC proper for the first time in their history, but they sent last year’s bronze medallists Russia crashing out of the competition and are keen to continue causing shocks."

This was a comment on yesterdays SWC site. So my guess is NO as it seems to have escaped thier notice that the Russian team was missing 3 of the best riders in the world when Latvia sent Russia CRASHING out of the competition.

No wonder the sport is in a mess

 

Read a quote from Middlo somewhere whuch says the SWC is not the place to blood young riders, or words along those lines.

He is right. But of course we don't have any system for doing that particular job.

[oldtimer]

I cannot understand why everyone is getting excited about the so called World Cup an event which bears no resemblance to anything the title World Cup might convey. It is really the "It's A Knockout, Mickey Mouse Cup" and of little importance. A supposedly major competition which could enable the best team on the night to lose thanks to the joker (fortunately Australia held on). A competition for various reasons many of the top riders do not take part, a competition which encourages cheating, Barker and the American ,whatever his name was. As one example, In any other speedway competition if through disqualification only two riders from the same side are left, the rules state they have to race at a racing speed not slow down to fix the scores, the "It's a Knockout" rules allow cheating . The whole thing is a disgrace and brings the sport down to the level of wrestling. No wonder the press take no interest and none of us true speedway fans should take any interest either.

[Bream]

It aint a Mickey Mouse Cup if you ask Poles, Danes or Latvians. Latvian riders proofed that it aint gate and go track. It just needs speed and balls and put everything on the line and not drop your bike down when you get too close to rider in front.

 

Funny to read how federation should give money to riders for better equipment and so on. Send those riders to other leagues to ride for money, feel home sickness, cant understand a word what people around you talks, to be edgy when realizing that if you do not make over six or eight points your contract will end and you are sent home and your dream of professional speedway rider will go down.

[BADGER69]

And tell us all what Tatum would do differently to what is being done now with the riders at Neils disposal??

If its anything like his comedy doudle act with Pearson a damn sight worse than Middlo did

[uk_martin]

I cannot understand why everyone is getting excited about the so called World Cup an event which bears no resemblance to anything the title World Cup might convey

 

Got a great idea. Lets pretend it doesn't exist. Just like we pretend that the European Championships don't exist.

 

Let other countries carry on doing international speedway. We'll carry on happily playing "jumpers for goalposts" speedway like we always have. That'll be good, won't it?

[BADGER69]

Get kids interested Bring back weekend training schools Also with the number of Poles now living in this country we may get a good team in the not to distant future

[oldtimer]

Got a great idea. Lets pretend it doesn't exist. Just like we pretend that the European Championships don't exist.

 

Let other countries carry on doing international speedway. We'll carry on happily playing "jumpers for goalposts" speedway like we always have . That'll be good, won't it?

"If the cap fits, wear it!" Edited July 19, 2013 by oldtimer

[david2905]

The BSPA are reaping what they sowed when they didn't let Rob carry out his long term vision unfortunately.

 

Not sure if he would come back with co promoting duties at Lynn but I'd be on the blower to him now. Next year people like Kennett, King and Barker should be nowhere near the squad.....get Cook and Worrall riding abroad every week and build the side around them with Tai and Bridger (not everyone's cup of tea I know but for me he has lots of natural ability and is still young enough). Have Lambert, Ellis, Howarth, Garrity, Birks, Kerr, Blackbird, Nielsen etc in and around the squad learning all the time......they won't all make the grade but give them the chance at least.

 

Bar Woofy, I don't think any of them are capable of the grade required, be it tried and tested in King or potential in Worrall, don't get me wrong, him and Cook are good prospects, but will most likely become the Harris and Nicholls of 2018 rather than Nicki Pedersen or Chris Holder if we are being honest, even if the changes required are implemented tomorrow, we can write off the next 5 years as in my opinion the likes of Worrall and Cook are too far along the line to turn into worldbeaters, we need to catch young riders much earlier than that.

[Triple.H.]

I know its a different era but John Louis didnt start till he was 28 as far as i know and had a good career. Age dont come into it IMO ability and attitude and a hunger to achieve bring far more to the table. Thats why we need recently retired riders involved they know the idiosyncrasies of tbe sport. Speedway is like the magic circle its full of those who know the tricks and those who are trying to fathom them out but have to work them out themselves.

 

Edit due to beer influenced person using smartphone

Edited July 19, 2013 by Triple.H.

[John Ernest Holland]

the truth is we have 1 world class rider in tai the various riders members have put forward are either no longer world class or never will be and I don't see that changing any time soon their maybe valid reasons as members have said as to why the brits are in this position but if any of the young brits mentioned have that ability they would succeed they don't

[Bagpuss]

 

I don't see why the BSPA should have (or want) the responsibility of the National team - whatever its called??! For most of them it doesn't do anything for their day-to-day speedway businesses either in the short or long term under current rules!! Maybe the ACU or this new 'Parliamentary Speedway Group' should take it under their wing, with separate management, development, training, sponsorship and funding!!?

 

Speculate to accumulate......a much better youth system would eventually mean more British riders meaning less money being wasted by promoters flying foreign riders in and out of the country, can't be cheap. Also crowds may well respond to watching more British lads racing for their team, as might sponsors.

[diamond_ren]

On a side note some of Batchelor's riding has been pretty reckless. Love to see him try it against Pedersen in the final lol