Daniel Smith Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 After Rick Frost stole money off the paying public last night in the P'boro v King's Lynn meeting by issuing a rained off Belle Vue programme for the full £3 I was wondering if this is a common theme in speedway. On Good Friday we got done with a Lakeside programme also at P'boro. I know at King's Lynn they re-issue rain off programmes with inserts but atleast they're used for the relevant teams. Is this a normal process or is it just Peterborough?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 sadly it seems to be the norm these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 Yep, especially with all the rain-offs. £3 seems rather steep for a programme though. Swindon is £2.50 which I think is about the maximum I would be prepared to pay for a league meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) After Rick Frost stole money off the paying public last night in the P'boro v King's Lynn meeting by issuing a rained off Belle Vue programme for the full £3 I was wondering if this is a common theme in speedway. On Good Friday we got done with a Lakeside programme also at P'boro. I know at King's Lynn they re-issue rain off programmes with inserts but atleast they're used for the relevant teams. Is this a normal process or is it just Peterborough?? I've got quite a few such programmes from a variety of tracks and they're not all recent ones. It's common practice. I suppose it depends on your point of view (and probably what you think of the promoter in question) but what's preferable, a re-issue from the previous match with an insert or the programme from the match between the same teams postponed two or three months previously? Course, the promoters could just dump the programmes from a postponed match and lump the loss but they're losing enough already. Edited July 13, 2013 by Vincent Blackshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 After Rick Frost stole money off the paying public last night in the P'boro v King's Lynn meeting by issuing a rained off Belle Vue programme for the full £3 I was wondering if this is a common theme in speedway. On Good Friday we got done with a Lakeside programme also at P'boro. I know at King's Lynn they re-issue rain off programmes with inserts but atleast they're used for the relevant teams. Is this a normal process or is it just Peterborough?? This practise has got more common as money has got tighter ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 I think that Promoters these days have little choice but to 'recycle' the Programme. Programmes must cost a fair bit to produce - particularly the excellent Magazine Programme available at Newcastle. Just throwing them away would be financial idiocy. A fact of life we have to live with I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinht Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 I make my own most of the time now. The team line ups in mine are normally correct as I incorporate all the last minute changes, of which there seems many these days. After all, I read most of the stuff I need in the Speedway Star or on the internet, so why spend £2+ on something that I'm just gonna stick in the attic and forget about..... One home program a season, plus any away meetings I get too or play-off's is plenty... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 After Rick Frost stole money off the paying public last night in the P'boro v King's Lynn meeting by issuing a rained off Belle Vue programme for the full £3 I was wondering if this is a common theme in speedway. On Good Friday we got done with a Lakeside programme also at P'boro. I know at King's Lynn they re-issue rain off programmes with inserts but atleast they're used for the relevant teams. Is this a normal process or is it just Peterborough?? That is poor, the promotion should be ashamed of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) That is poor, the promotion should be ashamed of that Since this is common practise, why should 'the promotion' be ashamed in this instance? Edited July 13, 2013 by Vincent Blackshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 That is poor, the promotion should be ashamed of that Producing ANOTHER Programme MAY be preferable, but it may also, over a Season end up closing your Track because of even MORE Financial problems than they have now. The Government 'Cuts' have not fully hit yet - that is without the ones planned over the next few years. I believe that Promoters should do EVERYTHING and ANYTHING to keep the Sport going. If dishing out an old Programme helps with this - GREAT!! :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 After Rick Frost stole money off the paying public last night in the P'boro v King's Lynn meeting by issuing a rained off Belle Vue programme for the full £3 I was wondering if this is a common theme in speedway. On Good Friday we got done with a Lakeside programme also at P'boro. I know at King's Lynn they re-issue rain off programmes with inserts but atleast they're used for the relevant teams. Is this a normal process or is it just Peterborough?? Perhaps from now on you should ask whether it's a programme printed for that evening's meeting, that'll solve your problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) If your team wins, You don't end up moaning about the Programmer price. It's a bit like taking a date to a fancy restaurant... You only care about the price if the end result isn't what you hoped it to be. (Marriage) Edited July 13, 2013 by THJ Racing Fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 I've got quite a few such programmes from a variety of tracks and they're not all recent ones. It's common practice. I suppose it depends on your point of view (and probably what you think of the promoter in question) but what's preferable, a re-issue from the previous match with an insert or the programme from the match between the same teams postponed two or three months previously? Course, the promoters could just dump the programmes from a postponed match and lump the loss but they're losing enough already. So it's acceptable because everyone does it? Really? It's also poor business, you scam people, out of £3 today but next year only 90% of those buying a programme last week buy one, it only takes 11 weeks for you to be at a loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 workington provide a race card its bigger than the normal programme. (free of charge) has most of the info in. more detailed info can be found on the official workington site. tony jackson does a great job on the riders info etc. a great online read for any fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 So it's acceptable because everyone does it? Really? It's also poor business, you scam people, out of £3 today but next year only 90% of those buying a programme last week buy one, it only takes 11 weeks for you to be at a loss. SCB handing out business advice to Rick Frost... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 So it's acceptable because everyone does it? Really? It's also poor business, you scam people, out of £3 today but next year only 90% of those buying a programme last week buy one, it only takes 11 weeks for you to be at a loss. I didn't say it was acceptable, just common practice and, off hand, I would say I've had rain-off re-issues at half our tracks atm. The sport hasn't got money to throw away so I suppose I just accept it. One of the guys that accompanies me now and again always asks for his money back if such programmes are issued for the match and he's never had any problem - a lot of moaning sometimes, but not a problem. I carry several blank print-outs with me and he uses one of them instead. I believe the sport has far greater issues to sort out before the subject of programmes from rain-offs would come up for discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 maybe teams should put out a monthly programme for around £3.00 with all the matches in that month featured .then it wouldnt really matter if they had a rain off as the programme would still be relevent to the other matches and the public wouldnt feel ripped off by bying it .and it dosent really matter which match you buy it at cause any match in that month would be covered although you would get better value if you brought it at the first match of the month 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Shaker Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Or maybe they could have a simple scoreboard, visible at the track so there'd be no need for a program?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 maybe teams should put out a monthly programme for around £3.00 with all the matches in that month featured .then it wouldnt really matter if they had a rain off as the programme would still be relevent to the other matches and the public wouldnt feel ripped off by bying it .and it dosent really matter which match you buy it at cause any match in that month would be covered although you would get better value if you brought it at the first match of the month Not a very good idea. That would mean that a promotion would only sell 25% of their programmes for every four matches. Then there would be programme advertising which would be cut by 75% Then what would happen if the last meeting of the month was a rain off. .Then if it is re-arranged within the next month it would not be in that month's programme either as it will already have been printed Definatley a non starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 (edited) Not a very good idea. That would mean that a promotion would only sell 25% of their programmes for every four matches. Then there would be programme advertising which would be cut by 75% Then what would happen if the last meeting of the month was a rain off. .Then if it is re-arranged within the next month it would not be in that month's programme either as it will already have been printed Definatley a non starter. it wouldnt matter if the last meeting in the month was rained off cause the programme was already used for the first 3 matches and the restage would just be put into next month programme or the month that it is rearanged for and this system is already used by bsi but over a tourniment not a month and the altetnative is the current idea of being ripped off buying programmes from the rain off Edited July 14, 2013 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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