The White Knight Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 Which one again sums up why speedway is where it is - because it's where it and "nostalgic" fans deserve it to be. Fed up with the modern world? That's why there's a booming trade in care homes. It's supposed to be a sport, for the love of God. The reason it's dying on its arse is catering for those wallowing in senility. 70 year old presenters leaking out what passed for presentation in the 60s & 70s because they don't know any different & haven't realised that the rest of the world has moved on. I bet you like a good record request too. Speedway might be dying now my cynical friend - but - if it wasn't for us oldies - IT WOULD BE DEAD!!! :angry: :mad: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 And what? Therefore it should be tailored for and pander to the over 60s? That'll solve all the problems. It's got to get its backside into the 21st Century & package itself accordingly. And that means attracting younger people and families. No one said anything about excluding old folk, but if it isn't focused away from Doris & Ernie's Golden Wedding record requests it may as well pack in now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 And what? Therefore it should be tailored for and pander to the over 60s? That'll solve all the problems. It's got to get its backside into the 21st Century & package itself accordingly. And that means attracting younger people and families. No one said anything about excluding old folk, but if it isn't focused away from Doris & Ernie's Golden Wedding record requests it may as well pack in now. And your suggestions on how to do this are....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 Already documented. Thanks for your valuable input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Is the National Speedway Stadium at Belle Vue, Manchester, still on? I haven't seen an update about that for some time But then again, earlier this week you hadn't even heard that Logie-Baird's magic lantern now had an ITV2, ITV3 and ITV4. So no surprise that you missed the news that the new Belle Vue stadium project was given the go-ahead by Manchester Council's Executive in April, and that these people http://isgplc.com/projects/ who built the London Olympics Velodrome have now been awarded the contract to build the stadium. As regards the Ebbw Vale project it looks to be too far out into the middle of nowhere for regular speedway to be viable. I would imagine they will target a few large-scale weekend events, but wouldn't have the catchment area to provide a regular weekly support for a speedway team. Having said that, if it's going to be a £280m investment, then the costs of including a 300m oval stadium into the project would be chicken-feed in comparison and could open up the complex to Speedway, Stock car, bangers, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 (edited) But then again, earlier this week you hadn't even heard that Logie-Baird's magic lantern now had an ITV2, ITV3 and ITV4. So no surprise that you missed the news that the new Belle Vue stadium project was given the go-ahead by Manchester Council's Executive in April, and that these people http://isgplc.com/projects/ who built the London Olympics Velodrome have now been awarded the contract to build the stadium. A nice way to start Sunday on yet more sarcasm from the master of the art. Re ITV2, ITV3 and ITV4 - i have been watching these Channels for years - but knew them under various Freeview guises. To be honest the Belle Vue venture doesn't particularly interest me - it's a low budget affair when one equates against what a proposed Manchester City redevelopment will cost. Or how much Arsenal's Emirate Stadium cost to build. A sad reflection in fact is the belief that a grandiose name for this Manchester venture will make speedway a major sport again? Edited July 14, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Shaker Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Is the National Speedway Stadium at Belle Vue, Manchester, still on? I haven't seen an update about that for some time - it's not the same group planning a Norwich revival is it? Talking of sarcasm, if the new Belle Vue stadium doesn't interest you, then why make the sarcastic comment above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Talking of sarcasm, if the new Belle Vue stadium doesn't interest you, then why make the sarcastic comment above? Yes - I noticed that. BUT - it is Sunday and I didn't want to be sarcastic. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 (edited) You've missed the updates that Manchester Council recently approved the plan and a contractor has been awarded the tender to build it? OOOh pathetic sarcasm.....I thought you hated that? Why did you ask then you clown? Would it only have made you happy if it was going to fail? Like you hope Ebbw Vale and Norwich fail? What a miserable life you must lead How bitter! A £6M National stadium is fantastic. In fact Somerset, Scunthorpe and Leicester are great new venues and they're nowhere near the level of the new National Stadium complex. Have you visited them? I've been to Somerset, Scunthorpe and Leicester many times...very enjoyable. Then again I'm not sure what you find enjoyable.....open graves? There's nothing better than a good sensible BSF debate! By the way, I think that Arsenal's Emirates Stadium cost £390m! And where have I said or even indicated that I want to see Ebbw Vale or Norwich ventures to fail? Edited July 14, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 You've missed the updates that Manchester Council recently approved the plan and a contractor has been awarded the tender to build it? Have they applied for planning permission yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 There's nothing better than a good sensible BSF debate! By the way, I think that Arsenal's Emirates Stadium cost £390m! And where have I said or even indicated that I want to see Ebbw Vale or Norwich ventures to fail? just returning to the original poster question if i may i think the answer is as has been mentioned - its not a traditional speedway thing to make tracks in places like this and i would expect it to be a non starter especially in the current financial climate I'm afraid things don't look too good at Norwich either - there are too many objectors in influential positions and not enough expertees amongst the potential developers. They could do worse than persuade Tony Mole to get involved. In fact BSPA should pay him to seek out and develop such opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 By the way, I think that Arsenal's Emirates Stadium cost £390m! The space shuttle Endeavour cost $1.7Bn ......that's totally irrelevant to this topic too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 The space shuttle Endeavour cost $1.7Bn ......that's totally irrelevant to this topic too. And why no track at Cape Canaveral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 There's nothing better than a good sensible BSF debate! By the way, I think that Arsenal's Emirates Stadium cost £390m! And where have I said or even indicated that I want to see Ebbw Vale or Norwich ventures to fail? Have they applied for planning permission yet? That is a key factor in the proposed development. But if it hasn't, it will obviously be rubber stamped because the council is interested. just returning to the original poster question if i may i think the answer is as has been mentioned - its not a traditional speedway thing to make tracks in places like this and i would expect it to be a non starter especially in the current financial climate I'm afraid things don't look too good at Norwich either - there are too many objectors in influential positions and not enough expertees amongst the potential developers. They could do worse than persuade Tony Mole to get involved. In fact BSPA should pay him to seek out and develop such opportunities. The situatiion at Norwich is unsettling because the then oragniser of the venture created tremendous publicity even giving a mid-summer date this year for a return. The space shuttle Endeavour cost $1.7Bn ......that's totally irrelevant to this topic too. I'm not surprised to see you jump on the bandwagon. The £390m cost of the Emirates Stadium is relevant because we are talking about the cost of sports stadiums. So far as the cost of the space shuttle is concerned: I don't think there's yet been a proposal to build the National Speedway Stadium in out space - or is that also something I have missed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 That is a key factor in the proposed development. But if it hasn't, it will obviously be rubber stamped because the council is interested. The situatiion at Norwich is unsettling because the then oragniser of the venture created tremendous publicity even giving a mid-summer date this year for a return. I'm not surprised to see you jump on the bandwagon. The £390m cost of the Emirates Stadium is relevant because we are talking about the cost of sports stadiums. So far as the cost of the space shuttle is concerned: I don't think there's yet been a proposal to build the National Speedway Stadium in out space - or is that also something I have missed? Don't think a track in space would be enjoyable. There would be no atmosphere. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Already documented. Thanks for your valuable input. Then why not post the link instead of the sarcasm.....or are you afraid your views/ideas won't stand up to scrutiny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Then why not post the link instead of the sarcasm.....or are you afraid your views/ideas won't stand up to scrutiny? Probably KevH....the forum name Backless is right for this person, no backbone! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 That is a key factor in the proposed development. But if it hasn't, it will obviously be rubber stamped because the council is interested. The situatiion at Norwich is unsettling because the then oragniser of the venture created tremendous publicity even giving a mid-summer date this year for a return. I'm not surprised to see you jump on the bandwagon. The £390m cost of the Emirates Stadium is relevant because we are talking about the cost of sports stadiums. So far as the cost of the space shuttle is concerned: I don't think there's yet been a proposal to build the National Speedway Stadium in out space - or is that also something I have missed? Don't think a track in space would be enjoyable. There would be no atmosphere. Well why reply to me about the track in outer space? I didn't originally comment on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Then why not post the link instead of the sarcasm.....or are you afraid your views/ideas won't stand up to scrutiny? Exactly what form of Forum Nazi do you think you are, to be demanding links to posts to justify comments? You seem to be under the mistaken belief that I give a ray's arse about you or what you think. Probably KevH....the forum name Backless is right for this person, no backbone! At least no one could be confused enough to think you you could ever have an original thought or make any form of contribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Exactly what form of Forum Nazi do you think you are, to be demanding links to posts to justify comments? You seem to be under the mistaken belief that I give a ray's arse about you or what you think. At least no one could be confused enough to think you you could ever have an original thought or make any form of contribution. I enjoy Ray Stadia's contribution a lot more than your cynical efforts Backless. Have you got a good word to say about anything or anybody involved in Speedway? :sad: I find it very sad because I can see from the way that you construct some of your Posts that you are capable of better. I wish you would show a positive side once in a while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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