Arson fire Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) Fact, here are the numbers Level Season Falls Meetings Falls Per meeting Elite 2010 39 73 0.53 Premier 2010 80 133 0.60 Elite 2011 101 164 0.62 Premier 2011 165 298 0.55 Elite 2012 94 153 0.61 Premier 2012 163 252 0.65 Elite 2013 45 79 0.57 Premier 2013 103 118 0.87 So 2011 was the exception. But 3 years out of 4 the PL has more falls. Also over all 4 season the PL has more falls. Not hugely but enough to suggest that better riders fall off less. It's not exactly going to be a shock though is it? Unless you support Workington it seems. edit > tried my bets to format it. for some reason despite the forum having the html tags, it doesn't allow html or tables :s ok, but surely with the prem having more meetings than the Elite then the average has much more chance of being higher, also how many of the fallers in prem matches also ride in the Elite league?? In them numbers there will be riders considered good enough for both leagues who have contributed.... I would have thought the percentages would be much wider given the gulf in talent and skill which you claim??.... They arnt. We all can count on one hand the meetings we've been to over the years, where there hasn't been a single faller in any heat. Edited July 10, 2013 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 It could also show as an example of closer (therefore better and more exciting) racing in the Premier League 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 All of which adds substance to the theory that the thing driving away any potential new fans isn't the T/R, averages, foreigners, tracks, bikes, silencers, or anything else - it's contact with speedway fans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 whatever sport you/we support, there will always be fans/humans who know and can do a better job. so with the pl men doing more meetings than the lite league men there will be more fallers/e/fs and so forth. look at adam roynon. rode in three leagues at one time and still came to grief . its all about luck. good luck or bad luck.. the more you ride , the more the chances are of getting injured. think i will go for the vacant number 1 spot at Poole. unless S.C.B. has beat me to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 ok, but surely with the prem having more meetings than the Elite then the average has much more chance of being higher, also how many of the fallers in prem matches also ride in the Elite league?? Or on the flip side, more chance of being lower - that's all down to the law of averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 ok, but surely with the prem having more meetings than the Elite then the average has much more chance of being higher, also how many of the fallers in prem matches also ride in the Elite league?? In them numbers there will be riders considered good enough for both leagues who have contributed.... I would have thought the percentages would be much wider given the gulf in talent and skill which you claim??.... They arnt. We all can count on one hand the meetings we've been to over the years, where there hasn't been a single faller in any heat. The whole idea of averages is that it doesn't matter if it's 10 or 15 meetings. Averages iron out the issue of done riding more meetings. I can't believe people are trying to argue that staying on a speedway is luck and not a skill! the more you ride , the more the chances are of getting injured. think i will go for the vacant number 1 spot at Poole. unless S.C.B. has beat me to it. Do you know what's being discussed here? My argument is dpeedway riders rely on skill, yet a few people are claiming its luck. I could not ride for Poole. I could not ride NL. Why? I don't have the skill. I get scared riding around the Scunthorpe mini track when there is someone else with 10 foot of me. That's a skill I don't poses. I also fall off a lot, because I don't have skill. Or maybe I'm just unlucky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Or on the flip side, more chance of being lower - that's all down to the law of averages. i know how averages work if the elite league had more meetings the ave would surely be higher, given every meeting just about has fallers...even GPS who are the best in the world... Hence the average would go up. The whole idea of averages is that it doesn't matter if it's 10 or 15 meetings. Averages iron out the issue of done riding more meetings. I can't believe people are trying to argue that staying on a speedway is luck and not a skill! i never said that??... The more meetings the higher the average, given all meetings have fallers just about. What you still doing on a mini track if you slid the bike after 3 days??.... Or were you exaggerating?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comet49 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) 10 fallers in 15 meetings or 20 fallers in 30 meetings is the same average, 66.67. Don't get the number of meetings bit. Edited July 10, 2013 by comet49 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietbowers Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I still say the Waspels are a lucky team.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Given scb figures, in some seasons the Prem rides over 100 meetings more meaning 100 meetings x 15 heats x 4 riders = 6000 more chances of falling.... Given speedway riders often fall off, I don't think it's a fair comparison... Yes it's an average, but an average taken on many fewer meetings.... Be interesting to see the averages over 100 meetings each and not per season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comet49 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Conversely more chance of improving and staying on. Riders come off in different circumstances, riders falling in front of them, hitting ruts in the track, own error, being knocked off and maybe more. The only comparison would be riders coming off entirely on their own with no other factor involved, taking a bend too fast say or trying to hard too pass and losing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 i see one of the worlds best riders taking a fall in the poole v wolves meet on sky.mr ward takes an unfamiliar tumble . didnt think they were allowed to fall off..... then there is eddie kennet falling as well. both these guys riding at number 1(eddie gursting) , but still at number 1. eddie kennettttt ridingat 1 for both wolves and berwick. is this a record. no wait, i think davey watt rides at 1 for zummerset as well......... (watered down lite league).... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 i see one of the worlds best riders taking a fall in the poole v wolves meet on sky.mr ward takes an unfamiliar tumble . didnt think they were allowed to fall off..... then there is eddie kennet falling as well. both these guys riding at number 1(eddie gursting) , but still at number 1. eddie kennettttt ridingat 1 for both wolves and berwick. is this a record. no wait, i think davey watt rides at 1 for zummerset as well......... (watered down lite league).... Planet Jenga - what a place to live your life that must be! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Planet Jenga - what a place to live your life that must be! Planet Jenga - what a place to live your life that must be! yes, i love it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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