SCB Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 didnt say it was not true just commented the criticism was harsh and uncalled for. why any1 feels the need to have a pop a riders who are putting their lives on the line everytime they try to earn a few quid and entertain the likes of us is uncalled for. 1.It wasn't a criticism.2. The old, "do it for our entertainment" - that being the case there's a few riders who should retire now then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Yay, and I get to see my own team again down at the OTA in the Semi's:) Life's good:) Somerset over two legs may be a tad closer than Workington, but I fancy our chances against the Rebels to reach the final:) Happy days:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) Yay, and I get to see my own team again down at the OTA in the Semi's:) Life's good:) Somerset over two legs may be a tad closer than Workington, but I fancy our chances against the Rebels to reach the final:) Happy days:) ? Edited July 8, 2013 by topaz325 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 ? I'm a Monarch... Somerset v Edinburgh KO Cup semi final after this Qtr final put Somerset through... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 didnt say it was not true just commented the criticism was harsh and uncalled for. why any1 feels the need to have a pop a riders who are putting their lives on the line everytime they try to earn a few quid and entertain the likes of us is uncalled for. It wasn't a criticism, SCB just said it wasn't 'unlucky'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 I'm a Monarch... Somerset v Edinburgh KO Cup semi final after this Qtr final put Somerset through... Yeah i know just the tad closer bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) Yeah i know just the tad closer bit. Well, sorry but yeah!!! I expect the scores to be a bit closer between Edinburgh/Somerset than Edinburgh/Workington would've been... sorry!!! Edited July 8, 2013 by Nutz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Ok thanks for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorj Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 So to confirm. If a Workington rider stops then Workington are unlucky. If a Sometset rider stops then so what in the World of Workington fans on the BSF? It's equally poor prep from both riders in the real World. I didn't say anything about Workington riders being novices. What I said is riders falling off is a lack of skill and not the oppositions good luck. Or do you think a team winning 60-30 is just their good luck that the opposition are not as good? It's a fact that more riders fall off per meeting in the PL than the EL, does suggest that better riders don't fall off as much, doesn't it? Or maybe EL riders are lucky to stay on lol Mr Know it All,you really do talk garbage, so riders fall off in PL more than in EL because they are not as good as EL , Mmmm Darcy Ward, Chris Holder, Tai Woffinden, Freddie lindgren, Kenni Larsen, Linus Sundstrom should I go on , and as for your "lack of skill from Worky" comment you really are something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) Mr Know it All,you really do talk garbage, so riders fall off in PL more than in EL because they are not as good as EL , Mmmm Darcy Ward, Chris Holder, Tai Woffinden, Freddie lindgren, Kenni Larsen, Linus Sundstrom should I go on , and as for your "lack of skill from Worky" comment you really are something else It's a fact that PL riders fall off more often than EL riders. If you dont like it that's your problem. I'd say faking of your bike is a lack of skill. Let's be honest, to be a speedway rider skill number 1 that is required is to ride a bike. The second is to stay on the bike. Are you really suggesting that stating in a speedway bike is not a skill but luck? Is going fast luck too? Maybe Chris Holder isn't the Worlds best speedway rider just luckiest? Ad for your list if riders, yes, they've all fallen off but not as much as PL riders. Weirdly PL reserves seem to be very all or nothing in the falling stakes. I'm assuming it's because the ones falling off are going faster than their ability allows while the ones staying on don't go fast enough to fall off. And if you're going to quote me make sure it's right. I've never said Workington had a lack of skill. Maybe you should read what I write? Edited July 9, 2013 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 It's a fact that PL riders fall off m It's a fact that PL riders fall off more often than EL riders. If you dont like it that's your problem. I'd say faking of your bike is a lack of skill. Let's be honest, to be a speedway rider skill number 1 that is required is to ride a bike. The second is to stay on the bike. Are you really suggesting that stating in a speedway bike is not a skill but luck? Is going fast luck too? Maybe Chris Holder isn't the Worlds best speedway rider just luckiest? Ad for your list if riders, yes, they've all fallen off but not as much as PL riders. Weirdly PL reserves seem to be very all or nothing in the falling stakes. I'm assuming it's because the ones falling off are going faster than their ability allows while the ones staying on don't go fast enough to fall off. they can't all slide a bike in 3 days like you though champ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) so to put it straight. eLITE riders are far better at staying upright. so when the pl guys guest for the Elite league does that mean they will automatically become better at stopping on and when they go back to the pl, they promptly fall off. is that correct. Edited July 9, 2013 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorj Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 So Somerset got lucky because Workingtons riders can't keep their bikes going and crash? That's a lack of talent and skill from Workington. Please read your last 9 words, you think you are such a clever arse , I did read what you wrote !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 so to put it straight. eLITE riders are far better at staying upright. so when the pl guys guest for the Elite league does that mean they will automatically become better at stopping on and when they go back to the pl, they promptly fall off. is that correct. Don't be such a moron all your life - if they are riding in the Elite League, they are in theory good enough to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 so to put it straight. eLITE riders are far better at staying upright. so when the pl guys guest for the Elite league does that mean they will automatically become better at stopping on and when they go back to the pl, they promptly fall off. is that correct. Fine you win. It's not a fact that PL riders fall off more often. It's not a skill to ride a speedway bike, it's all sheer luck. Somerset beat Workington all down to Somersets luck. somerset were lucky their riders beat the Workington riders more than the Workington riders beat Somerset riders, Somerset were lucky their riders didn't fall off. Somerset were lucky their riders didn't stop (although actually somerset riders did fall and have Ef's btu they don't count do they? only the "unucky" ones). I don't knwo why promoters bother paying the riders lareg sums of money to lucky ride a bike around a track and rely on luck to beat the opposition. You or I could get lucky and score 15 points. Tell you what, next time Richard Lawson scores a maximum go and tell him he was lucky. Because theres no skill involved in staying on a speedway bike. It makes me laugh that a few of you can claim it's luck and then have a go at me for daring to suggest that falling off may be down to a lack of skill. So yes, when a rider rides in the EL he gets talent. He gets skill. He's not been picked to ride in the EL because he's got talent and skill, he gets it because he is riding in the EL. Again, promoters may as well just sign you up as EL number 1 because signing for a EL team suddenly gives you talent and skill so you don't have to rely on luck to stay on your bike or for it to last 4 laps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Fine you win. It's not a fact that PL riders fall off more often. It's not a skill to ride a speedway bike, it's all sheer luck. Somerset beat Workington all down to Somersets luck. somerset were lucky their riders beat the Workington riders more than the Workington riders beat Somerset riders, Somerset were lucky their riders didn't fall off. Somerset were lucky their riders didn't stop (although actually somerset riders did fall and have Ef's btu they don't count do they? only the "unucky" ones). I don't knwo why promoters bother paying the riders lareg sums of money to lucky ride a bike around a track and rely on luck to beat the opposition. You or I could get lucky and score 15 points. Tell you what, next time Richard Lawson scores a maximum go and tell him he was lucky. Because theres no skill involved in staying on a speedway bike. It makes me laugh that a few of you can claim it's luck and then have a go at me for daring to suggest that falling off may be down to a lack of skill. So yes, when a rider rides in the EL he gets talent. He gets skill. He's not been picked to ride in the EL because he's got talent and skill, he gets it because he is riding in the EL. Again, promoters may as well just sign you up as EL number 1 because signing for a EL team suddenly gives you talent and skill so you don't have to rely on luck to stay on your bike or for it to last 4 laps. well is it a fact or not?? If so can you post a link or is it your own statistics??.... Genuine question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) well is it a fact or not?? If so can you post a link or is it your own statistics??.... Genuine question Fact, here are the numbers Level Season Falls Meetings Falls Per meeting Elite 2010 39 73 0.53 Premier 2010 80 133 0.60 Elite 2011 101 164 0.62 Premier 2011 165 298 0.55 Elite 2012 94 153 0.61 Premier 2012 163 252 0.65 Elite 2013 45 79 0.57 Premier 2013 103 118 0.87 So 2011 was the exception. But 3 years out of 4 the PL has more falls. Also over all 4 season the PL has more falls. Not hugely but enough to suggest that better riders fall off less. It's not exactly going to be a shock though is it? Unless you support Workington it seems. edit > tried my bets to format it. for some reason despite the forum having the html tags, it doesn't allow html or tables :s Edited July 9, 2013 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 The flaw in your theory is that you attribute falls wholly to rider skill level. One other contributory factor that immediately springs to mind is that track condition could play a part in riders falling off. For instance it would not be unreasonable to expect a lower incidence of falling on a well prepared track in perfect weather conditions, when compared to a rutted, patchy track when racing is taking place in wet weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 The flaw in your theory is that you attribute falls wholly to rider skill level. One other contributory factor that immediately springs to mind is that track condition could play a part in riders falling off. For instance it would not be unreasonable to expect a lower incidence of falling on a well prepared track in perfect weather conditions, when compared to a rutted, patchy track when racing is taking place in wet weather. Over a 4 year period though, that should even out. if we were talking a handful of meetings I'd accept your point but surely over 1200 meetings is a bloody good sample? I agree it's not perfect and there not a massive amount in it but there is certainly a correlation between the top and bottom riders. Even down to splitting heat leaders, second strings and reserves (I assumed 1,3 and 5 as heatleaders though, not always true) you notice a pattern with the exception of PL reserves who as I mentioned earlier in the thread have a tendency to fall off lots or never. I would guess but I've not checked it out there more falls in March die to being rusty and cold than there is in August when it's warm and rider are up to speed too. probably loads more in October when it's cold and wet and meetings are generally run out of desperation in dodgy conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Over a 4 year period though, that should even out. if we were talking a handful of meetings I'd accept your point but surely over 1200 meetings is a bloody good sample? I agree it's not perfect and there not a massive amount in it but there is certainly a correlation between the top and bottom riders. Even down to splitting heat leaders, second strings and reserves (I assumed 1,3 and 5 as heatleaders though, not always true) you notice a pattern with the exception of PL reserves who as I mentioned earlier in the thread have a tendency to fall off lots or never. I would guess but I've not checked it out there more falls in March die to being rusty and cold than there is in August when it's warm and rider are up to speed too. probably loads more in October when it's cold and wet and meetings are generally run out of desperation in dodgy conditions. How are the % of meetings for EL vs PL distributed over early & late months of the British Speedway Calendar ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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