Rule Changes For 2014

[The White Knight]

Whilst the tac sub rule now can add a possible 6 points to a teams score (why not restrict this to away teams only) what p's me off more is a reserve having 7 rides every meeting they are a reserve and scoring God knows how many points and at times replacing heat leaders. I know this could be put down to good team building but why not restrict reserves to there programmed rides and any as cover fo an injured rider not one out of form as it was intentioned.

 

They wouldn't be Reserves then though would they? The whole idea of a Reserve, and I see it, is to be able to replace an 'off form' Rider if required.

 

As SCB say so succinctly above Team Managers might as well be dispensed with as well.

[Lewis]

Think the point is though that the reserve often getting 7 rides are ringers on low averages, especially at the start of the season. Not a lot you can do about it though.

 

I do think though it is taking the proverbial when these reserves are then used for guest bookings on ridiculously low averages. Although I think the rolling average should remain, possibly guest averages only, should be from there last 12 matches, to reflect current form.

[The White Knight]

Think the point is though that the reserve often getting 7 rides are ringers on low averages, especially at the start of the season. Not a lot you can do about it though.

 

I do think though it is taking the proverbial when these reserves are then used for guest bookings on ridiculously low averages. Although I think the rolling average should remain, possibly guest averages only, should be from there last 12 matches, to reflect current form.

 

Lewis.

 

LEWIS Kerr isn't a 'Ringer' at Newcastle. :angry:

[Tsunami]

Lewis.

 

LEWIS Kerr isn't a 'Ringer' at Newcastle. :angry:

 

And neither was Richie.

[Lewis]

Think the point is though that the reserve often getting 7 rides are ringers on low averages, especially at the start of the season. Not a lot you can do about it though.

 

I do think though it is taking the proverbial when these reserves are then used for guest bookings on ridiculously low averages. Although I think the rolling average should remain, possibly guest averages only, should be from there last 12 matches, to reflect current form.

 

I said often, not always.

[redlead]

A rule change I would like is, that after the green light comes on then the pit gate should be "closed" so after an unsatisfactory then riders go straight back to the tapes. To much time is wasted with riders going back to the pits, and another 2 minutes is allowed.

[Bruiser McHuge]

i still think the old tac sub rule of being 6 behind was fine and added to the excitement of a meeting....no gimmicks, no double points but just a genuine ride for genuine points.....a number 1 coming in to heat 8 and losing , which did happen, was great excitement.....i had no problem with that rule....i do have problems with the double points tactical though.

 

if you want speedway to a totally fair team sport then just have every rider complete their programmed rides...no tacticals and no reserve rides...that is the only way it would be a totally fair team sport as one of the biggest advantages a team has always has is having a quality reserve able to take 6 or 7 rides a night.......i personally have no problem with benefitting from a quality reserve myself but it could be seen as being as unfair as the tactical sub rule if you wanted ..a rider taking 2 rides while another takes 7.

[The White Knight]

Sadly there is no perfect System.

 

Double Points though is the WORST System of the lot as far as I am concerned.

[Rocketbee]

1 Scrap tactical ride from the tapes, if you are 10 points behind and want to gamble you can put in a substitute from 15m (1 per match away team only)

2 Teams must track 7 riders, if r/r in place a no 8 must be named and take at least 1 r/r ride

3 Delays should be kept to a minimum. if start in unsatisfactory riders must return to tapes straight away

4 All PL teams must track a 3 point British NL eligible rider at no 7

[The White Knight]

1 Scrap tactical ride from the tapes, if you are 10 points behind and want to gamble you can put in a substitute from 15m (1 per match away team only)

2 Teams must track 7 riders, if r/r in place a no 8 must be named and take at least 1 r/r ride

3 Delays should be kept to a minimum. if start in unsatisfactory riders must return to tapes straight away

4 All PL teams must track a 3 point British NL eligible rider at no 7

 

I could just about live with this. Good Post. :approve:

[TheReturn]

Here is something unique.. how about the team that scores the most league points over the course of a season is declared the League Champions?

[The White Knight]

Here is something unique.. how about the team that scores the most league points over the course of a season is declared the League Champions?

 

BLIMEY!!!! :shock:

 

THAT'S radical. :shock:

[TonyE]

Every one obeying them would be a good start together with consistent interpretation of same. Although, with regard to the latter, removing the need for 'interpretation' at all should be high on the list.

[TheReturn]

BLIMEY!!!! :shock:

 

THAT'S radical. :shock:

 

 

Yep, I am not sure it will catch on though, it could be a bit too radical maybe for some.

[cowboy cookie returns?]

Throw the rule book away!!

[Mad Potter 2]

Throw the rule book away!!

 

Preferably aimed at the BSPA.

[The White Knight]

Preferably aimed at the BSPA.

 

HARSH!!!!

 

 

 

........................................ but fair.

[Trees]

Sadly there is no perfect System.

 

Double Points though is the WORST System of the lot as far as I am concerned.

Not ideal but at least it means that all riders (unless on bad form) get their quota of rides! How about scrapping double points but being able to choose gate positions when 6/8 down perhaps? Edited September 14, 2013 by Trees

[Daniel Smith]

1 Scrap tactical ride from the tapes, if you are 10 points behind and want to gamble you can put in a substitute from 15m (1 per match away team only)

2guests must track 7 riders, if r/r in place a no 8 must be named and take at least 1 r/r ride

3 Delays should be kept to a minimum. if start in unsatisfactory riders must return to tapes straight away

4 All PL teams must track a 3 point British NL eligible rider at no 7

 

1, In my opinion if we go back to the old tactical ride it has to be with all four from the tapes. I don't like the 15m stuff, it ain't speedway

 

2, Agree we need 7 riders every meeting. I think the lowest average rider missing can only be replaced by a guest with an average less than the 7th rider in the team. Top 2 in the team can have guests with an equal or less averages.

 

2a, This is were I'd like to adjust the guest rule. I believe guests should have a current form average which includes any previous guest appearances based on their last 6 meetings. This I believe would stop ringer guests.

 

(I know some want rid of guests but I just don't think British Speedway can afford any other option like squad systems. Riders will request stupid amounts for signing on fees)

 

3, Nobody could argue against that

[jacko]

Some of these may have been posted before but what about:

 

1. Any rider that wins a race has weights added to his bike to slow him down for the next one. If he wins again add more weights. This would be very cheap as I saw a weight lifting kit in a shop yesterday for less than £100

 

2. The lowest scoring rider from each team at the end of the meeting can have a bigger engine (600cc?) at their next meetings. It won't be as cheap as #1

 

3. Each rider must - in one of their programmed rides - use a tyre that will only last 3 laps if ridden flat out. This will make the sport just be like Formula One. In fact it will be hard to tell the difference.

 

4. Any team which is behind in the match score should automatically be given the benefit of the doubt by the referee if the race has to be stopped - for example a rider falls off. The riders from the team ahead in the scoring should always be excluded even if it was not their fault. This means the scores will be closer.

 

5. Although (in general) the rules should be followed, the promoters as a group can decide to opt out of any rules which they think may cause a losing side to fall further behind if they cock up. For example if they are on a 5-1 and an opposing rider is lying just off the track with maybe just a leg over the white line the race should continue. If the winning team are on a 5-1 then naturally the race should be stopped. See #4 for why this is a good idea.

 

6. The gate picks for the GPs is the wrong way round. The rider who finishes with the most points should get last pick and the rider who qualifies with the lowest points should get first pick. This will make the semi final and final more interesting to the fans.

 

7. Riders in the GPs should be allowed to ride with engines that are outside of the regulations. For example by adding a turbo. Clearly this may give them an advantage but the governing body should take the wider view that it's more important to have entries than to bother with the rules. Therefore modified engines should be given waivers to allow them to compete.

 

8. The speedway world cup is flawed. Why do the organisers insist that each rider must ride for just one country? It means Denmark/Poland are far too strong and Team GB are far too weak. Instead each County should appoint a team manager (I think they should have a suitable licence otherwise it would be stupid) who can choose whoever he wants to represent each country. For example Team GB could be Hancock, Pedersen, Zagar and Ward. They would wear Team GB race suits so it wouldn't matter to them one iota if they beat riders representing their actual country. The Team they ride for (even if they have never set foot in it) is far more important.

 

9. Get rid of the joker double points thing because it's putting people off the sport.

 

10. The SCB should be relieved off their responsibility for the governance of the sport. It just gets in the way causing them to get involved in enquiries and investigations just because (and hypothetically) a match was run all the way up to heat 10 when in all probability it should never have started. In addition the elected independent chairman (I think he's a retired colonel or something similar) need to quieten down and stop getting involved just because a few people shout foul every now and again. Governance is not that important anyway. Seriously who needs it in a professional sport?

Edited September 15, 2013 by jacko