Swc, Event Two, King's Lynn 15/7

[Starman2006]

When you say 'our' manager, is that in reference to GB or Poole? If Poole he's had the financial backing to make him look better with World class rider's. If it's in reference to GB he's been an utter disaster. 2004 is 9 years ago. If living off that is keeping him in the job, British Speedway on the World stage has no hope what so ever.

 

Seems your also missing the point, please read the above post.

 

That's not the point. You mentioned that Neil picks the riders he thinks can do the best job. My point is that Neil's opinion on riders who can do 'the best job' was massively removed from what, I suspect, the vast majority of posters on here believed. And the posters on here were proved correct. Without wanting to be harsh, if Neil really thought Eddie Kennett was the best option for the final place in the team (especially over Worrall, Bridger, Barker and King) then I personally have no confidence in him as our national team manager.

 

Again, please read my above post.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Starman2006

[scottyfan]

 

 

No need for personal abuse boy. Don't say on a keyboard what you wouldn't have the guts to say face to face. Grow up !

 

 

The trouble with Starman is, you mustn't say anything bad about Matt Ford or Neil Middleditch as he will jump to their defence at the drop of a hat even if they are 100% wrong....Why?? Because he might lose his job as Speedway Star seller and general dogsbody at Poole stadium.....Lets just say his nose is very dark in colour!!!!!

Edited July 15, 2013 by scottyfan

[G the Bee]

Sorry but it aint.

 

In that case, it was a pretty good lookalike in Greg's/USA's pit crew tonight. 'Spin Doctors' goatee beard and all!

[Mark]

I agree with you. Eddie has been in poor form recently, and im sure that Neil knew that, but he took the chance on Eddie performing tonight, but Neil could have gone with Ben or Danny, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

It's not hindsight, look at his league form, you admit it's been poor. Why pick an out of form rider over others who are doing far better ?

 

All the team manager has done with his pick is ruin Kennett's confidence even more. He didn't even give him his 2nd ride. Bomber did well trying to pick the boy up but he was gone after that.

[Starman2006]

It's not hindsight, look at his league form, you admit it's been poor. Why pick an out of form rider over others who are doing far better ?

 

All the team manager has done with his pick is ruin Kennett's confidence even more. He didn't even give him his 2nd ride. Bomber did well trying to pick the boy up but he was gone after that.

 

Point, but Neil had to try some thing to drag back the 7 point deficit, so he's used the joker early with Tai to drag it back, and as it happen it worked.

[Daniel Smith]

 

 

Seems your also missing the point, please read the above post.

 

Didn't miss the point at all as I believe Middlo has always been inept at management & your above post is pretty much bang on.

 

What concerns me more is I'd read Tweets saying it was actually Morris that picked Kennett. Where on earth did those comments come from???

 

1, is that true?

2, if so, who actually is the TeamGB manager?

[glasgowmicktiger]

It was travis when he was talking to hancock he was doing the talking out the side of his mouth thing he always does. Who was it then?

[tellboy]

Just watched the meeting.Was the track bad,or just the gulf in class of the different teams that made it look bad.Put Poland,Denmark,fully Fit Australia and a fully fit Sweden on the same track and you would have seen a completely different meeting.

[Daniel Smith]

It was travis when he was talking to hancock he was doing the talking out the side of his mouth thing he always does. Who was it then?

 

It was Travis. He's Greg's full time mechanic

[LagutaRacingFan]

Darcy Ward on twitter backed Middlo.

 

Says that Phil Morris should let Middlo run the side.

[Starman2006]

Didn't miss the point at all as I believe Middlo has always been inept at management & your above post is pretty much bang on.

 

What concerns me more is I'd read Tweets saying it was actually Morris that picked Kennett. Where on earth did those comments come from???

 

1, is that true?

2, if so, who actually is the TeamGB manager?

 

You'l have to ask Wizzer. Going back to your earlier point, what are they supposed to do? We don't have the same set up as the Aussie Danes or Poles, and as far as riders is concerned they are streets appart, so whats the answer. Moderate riders cannot be turned into world class riders.

[orion]

I agree with you. Eddie has been in poor form recently, and im sure that Neil knew that, but he took the chance on Eddie performing tonight, but Neil could have gone with Ben or Danny, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

??? hindsight .everyone said he should before the match

[SCB]

Phil Morris. Took over at Brum and dragged them from bottom of the league to play offs. This season has taken unfancied Birmingham to 2nd in the league and based on points per meeting would be top if the league. Middlo has taken bookies and speedwsy star favourites to 5th and has twice bottled the play offs and could do nothing in 2009.

 

He has cost Poole loads despite Matt giving him good teams yet he's allowed to run the GB team. He's also allowed to pick the GB team despite admitting on twitter this week he had no say in who rides for Poole.

 

He has constantly messed up tactics for Poole and GB. Picked riders badly and generally been a disaster for GB.

 

How is it that Cook and Kennett mess up once do get sacked but Middlo has had how many chances now?

 

For once I think he might have got the team right for the race off.

[G the Bee]

Seems your also missing the point, please read the above post.

 

 

 

Again, please read my above post.

 

Will you stop telling people to read your 'above' posts. It is clear from people's responses that they have read them!

 

Why do you keep bringing up the fact that we don't have the strength in depth of the Danes? No one is disputing that. However, that doesn't mean we cannot criticise what was clearly a dire team building decision from Neil Middleditch.

 

You make the point that you are sure that Neil knew Eddie was in poor form but took a chance on him performing. That alone is hardly a defence for Neil's management skills! Eddie is in pretty poor form domestically at the moment and his international pedigree is limited. On what grounds, therefore, could Neil justify his selection over the other candidates in better form?

[Starman2006]

Phil Morris. Took over at Brum and dragged them from bottom of the league to play offs. This season has taken unfancied Birmingham to 2nd in the league and based on points per meeting would be top if the league. Middlo has taken bookies and speedwsy star favourites to 5th and has twice bottled the play offs and could do nothing in 2009.

 

 

 

 

 

But won the league in 03 04 08 2011, Runners up in 99 2010 2012, not a bad record that for a failer.. and thats just the league..

 

Will you stop telling people to read your 'above' posts. It is clear from people's responses that they have read them!

 

. On what grounds, therefore, could Neil justify his selection over the other candidates in better form?

 

Clearly you hadn't.. Why don't you ask him.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Starman2006

[Daniel Smith]

 

 

You'l have to ask Wizzer. Going back to your earlier point, what are they supposed to do? We don't have the same set up as the Aussie Danes or Poles, and as far as riders is concerned they are streets appart, so whats the answer. Moderate riders cannot be turned into world class riders.

 

As I said, I kind of agree with you on that point but we have to try. We can't keep wheeling out garbage like King & Kennett who's careers are at a level that is never going to improve on the International scene. You have to try new.

 

Cook got a run out tonight & Bridger should have joined him. Then the lowest scorer should have made way for Barker. That simple.

 

It's not hindsight for me as I've said it from day one.

 

Middlo as GB manager should always be looking forward but always looks at the here & now. As an International manager it's a ridiculous approach.

 

IMO for 2014 GB should be looking past Harris as he's found his level and doesn't look like improving, if ya get what I mean like

[krompa]

Who said Kennett was bad? Looked much better than Watt in Czestochowa. To lose with Kulakov was serious task. Who else but Watty could do it?!

[LagutaRacingFan]

If every British rider was living with Middlo like Darcy is, Then we would have tons of Darcy Wards in my opinion.

[Starman2006]

As I said, I kind of agree with you on that point but we have to try. We can't keep wheeling out garbage like King & Kennett who's careers are at a level that is never going to improve on the International scene. You have to try new.

 

Cook got a run out tonight & Bridger should have joined him. Then the lowest scorer should have made way for Barker. That simple.

 

It's not hindsight for me as I've said it from day one.

 

Middlo as GB manager should always be looking forward but always looks at the here & now. As an International manager it's a ridiculous approach.

 

IMO for 2014 GB should be looking past Harris as he's found his level and doesn't look like improving, if ya get what I mean like

 

Yes i do agree with you. But if you take that approach then you will have the moaner police on here saying oh so and so was so far tailed off you need a pair of binoculars to see him, so, what are they supposed to do, ruin a riders confidence or take the flack from so called team managers on here?? Because the majority of our kids are way behind the Poles Danes and Aussies.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Starman2006

[G the Bee]

Starman, you are clearly not for real. I give you a reasoned argument to all the points you raise and you still say I have not read your posts.

 

So just to make it clear for you.

 

I (and I suspect most posters on here) do not believe we either had the strength in depth to compete with the Danes or were ever likely to beat them tonight no matter what team we put out.

 

However that does not mean that we cannot criticise what was clearly a poor decision by the team manager to include Edward Kennett.

 

Do you understand now?

 

You have spent the last I don't know how many posts defending Middleditch but when I ask a reasonable question about how he could possibly justify the selection of a rider in poor form domestically and limited international pedigree you reply with "Why don't you ask him?" Brilliant!