vog Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Vog I wasn't suggesting Lambert should go Elite next season. Just opening up a debate to see if people think is already good enough. As for Wuffy didnt he guest quite a bit in the Elite while at Rye? Also think Darcy Ward rode for Belle Vue a few times in his one season in the Premier League I know, the debate is an interesting one. For me, he should follow the PL route. Holder, Ward and Woffinden all did it and look at them now. Take a season in the PL and guest towards the end of the season when he has that bit more experience in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Buster did a load of watering and track grading between heats 9 & 10. Look at the time for heat 9. As for Reade on T/R no Stoke rider was in the same postcode as Lambert after the 2nd bend. He really is a special talent. Someone is going to ask this sooner later but is Lambert that far of being Elite League standard now? Let alone in 12 months time. Be interesting to see what others think Surely you aren't suggesting foul play!!!!! It's a travesty that Lambert can ride in high level meetings in Germany but not here. !!!! A special mention for Lewis Rose who has hit form running. He doesn't seem to get much coverage with the Lambert factor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 'Coming over' is not really accurate considering we're talking about a Norfolk lad who goes to school in Norwich! And 'school' is the operative word - he's at school because he's 15 years of age (and only just at that!), so no issue of him being allowed to ride PL let alone EL! A special mention for Lewis Rose who has hit form running. He doesn't seem to get much coverage with the Lambert factor Quite agree - Lewis Rose is doing really well and deserves a great deal of credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 'Coming over' is not really accurate considering we're talking about a Norfolk lad who goes to school in Norwich! And 'school' is the operative word - he's at school because he's 15 years of age (and only just at that!), so no issue of him being allowed to ride PL let alone EL! Quite agree - Lewis Rose is doing really well and deserves a great deal of credit. He has to be 16 to ride in the PL/EL ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 'Coming over' is not really accurate considering we're talking about a Norfolk lad who goes to school in Norwich! And 'school' is the operative word - he's at school because he's 15 years of age (and only just at that!), so no issue of him being allowed to ride PL let alone EL! Quite agree - Lewis Rose is doing really well and deserves a great deal of credit. Well it is accurate in a riding sense. He was riding exclusively on the continent, and he has come over to this league. I would argue in that sense, it is perfectly accurate. As for the PL/EL argument, it was being discussed for next season, with the knowledge that he can't ride in higher leagues until he hits 16. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if Robert happened to only do home meetings all season, which would be an absolute travesty. When I heard he had been declared in the KL team, I was really looking forward to seeing him at Stoke, the fact that he wasn't there and no explanation given for that doesn't sit right with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 The way this tie has panned out, I guess, shows that KLYS can get through with Robert just riding the home legs!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 No complaints from me at all. Awesome tonight all 7 of the riders That just brings me onto the King's Lynn riders only kidding. Tonight, I have no doubt some of the PL teams would of had a tough night against the Young Stars, they were just bang on form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 The way this tie has panned out, I guess, shows that KLYS can get through with Robert just riding the home legs!!! Not a chance. Stoke are a terrible team away from home, and had been further handicapped by the loss of Lee Payne. Dudley or IoW would have scored around the same at home, but done much better at Kings Lynn. KL are an average side now that Lewis Rose has moved up, who become a very good side with Lambert in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniev123 Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I have no axe to grind with young master Lambert but......he is way, way too good for the NL and should not be on a 3 point assed average due to what he is doing over the Channel and if KL are only going to use him at the home matches as a ringer at 7 ready for 2014 he is not going to get the short UK track turning hard left learning curve that he needs to master ALL European tracks. Look at Woofy, Ward, Freddie Lindgren, Nicky Pederson & Holder and many others who have mastered the UK shorter tracks then went on to bigger and better things! I wish him well in the future and to those who get to see such a talent at such an early age BUT...........he is not the finished article and many things can happen between 15 & 27 (the age when he should be at his best)!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 I have no axe to grind with young master Lambert but......he is way, way too good for the NL and should not be on a 3 point assed average due to what he is doing over the Channel and if KL are only going to use him at the home matches as a ringer at 7 ready for 2014 he is not going to get the short UK track turning hard left learning curve that he needs to master ALL European tracks. Look at Woofy, Ward, Freddie Lindgren, Nicky Pederson & Holder and many others who have mastered the UK shorter tracks then went on to bigger and better things! I wish him well in the future and to those who get to see such a talent at such an early age BUT...........he is not the finished article and many things can happen between 15 & 27 (the age when he should be at his best)!!!!!! That all sounds very bitter the above post. If Lambert was allowed to ride Premier League he would but being 15 National League is the only option. Regarding only being a 3 average. What else should he be?? Without a league average anywhere else a 3 is the only option available. Regarding only riding at home. He has no need to ride tracks away in the National League as that experience will come next year when he steps up to the PL in April. Everyone is just guessing he's only doing home meetings because he missed the Stoke meeting & it sounds like a bloody good job he did to by the sounds of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) Its already been said that he will ride in away matches which don't clash with his continental commitments. Therefore he will ride in some. Edited June 20, 2013 by Bagpuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Not the right time to reply to this having travelled all day yesterday to Overstrand to help someone set up a new caravan then hung around for the racing to start knowing full well that Stoke would get stuffed but just to watch lambert race then journey home, solo to start working in the morning; but that is going to be the last meeting I think I will attend; nearly said racing there and that is the main trouble for me....no racing. I have seen too many were nothing happens. You will say that to watch Lambert racing was great......he didn't race, he rode as there was nobody anywhere near him to get excited about. Far too good for this league and for me no benefit as he was just riding solo. Speedway has got to get it's act together to get riders of the same standard riding against each other, then may be people will return....well may be this person will return. Saving my money up now for start of the Union season. Bigger point for me is why don't chip shops in Norfolk sell breadcrumb fish???? Tried Cromer and Sherringham and they looked at me as though I had two heads!! Join the modern world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniev123 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 That all sounds very bitter the above post. If Lambert was allowed to ride Premier League he would but being 15 National League is the only option. Regarding only being a 3 average. What else should he be?? Without a league average anywhere else a 3 is the only option available. Regarding only riding at home. He has no need to ride tracks away in the National League as that experience will come next year when he steps up to the PL in April. Everyone is just guessing he's only doing home meetings because he missed the Stoke meeting & it sounds like a bloody good job he did to by the sounds of it. Not bitter at all. As I said I wish him well in his choice of career but to 'fit in' when he can.......I still say a 'ringer' at 7 for next year for a PL and NL team on an assessed 3, at least do 2 H & 2 A to get a real time average,after all there are a fair few in the NL juggling school, etc. with riding in the NL and MDL this season and in other seasons. keep up the progress, we just might have someone in the UK who is a genuine world beater and will give Woofy a good run for his money sooner rather than later! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iand Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Not bitter at all. As I said I wish him well in his choice of career but to 'fit in' when he can.......I still say a 'ringer' at 7 for next year for a PL and NL team on an assessed 3, at least do 2 H & 2 A to get a real time average,after all there are a fair few in the NL juggling school, etc. with riding in the NL and MDL this season and in other seasons. keep up the progress, we just might have someone in the UK who is a genuine world beater and will give Woofy a good run for his money sooner rather than later! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) Bernie, all anyone can say at this stage is, the makings of a good rider are there for all to see. For a lad of 15, he is a very special talent. They dont come along that often, but when they do I fnd it very enjoyable to see those formative years. Who knows who will get the pleasure of the lad next season. He is young, he is talented, and he is BRITISH. Surely that has got to mean something to any true British Speedway fan. Edited June 20, 2013 by semion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iand Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 When people were talking about Steve Boxalls high average 11.38 someone said he would a new one this year after just 4 league meetings, but do not have to be 2H and 2A. Would this be different because Steve already has an average? Can anyone explain this rule please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 SR 17.5 NL Established MAs are issued when a Rider completes 4 NL Meetings (irrespective of whether home or away) to be effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 When people were talking about Steve Boxalls high average 11.38 someone said he would a new one this year after just 4 league meetings, but do not have to be 2H and 2A. Would this be different because Steve already has an average? Can anyone explain this rule please? A rider on an assessed average ie 3.00 will get a new average 7 days after he has completed the required number of total league matches ie 4.(regardless of whether they are home or away). A rider who already has an average will be subject to change again on a monthly basis (think it is around the 20th?? as the pl/el) after the total number of 4 league matches has been reached. The ruling was altered in the winter to reduce the number of matches from 6 to 4 and that it would be total matches only not 2H 2A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) Not bitter at all. As I said I wish him well in his choice of career but to 'fit in' when he can.......I still say a 'ringer' at 7 for next year for a PL and NL team on an assessed 3, at least do 2 H & 2 A to get a real time average,after all there are a fair few in the NL juggling school, etc. with riding in the NL and MDL this season and in other seasons. keep up the progress, we just might have someone in the UK who is a genuine world beater and will give Woofy a good run for his money sooner rather than later! Can't see him in the NL next year as his article in the SS said he would continue with his german commitments and I imagine he will be snapped up by a premier league club. The interesting part will be when he hits 16 in April I think to see who he eventually commits to. Most of the away meetings are weekends which I imagine will clash with his german commitments, apart from Kent and Monmore, which KL have already been to and IOW which I believe Lambert is penciled in to go to. According to the SS This country turned it's back on the lad and he had to go to the continent to hone his skills and the powers that be don't seem to be learning from their mistakes as there is another such rider Reece Downes (i'm not sure how old he is) I have seen round Sheffield and Scunny who is seemingly now in the same predicament It's possible that the circumtances of his family aren't the same as Lamberts and his family can't manage to get to the continent for what ever reason. Why do the UK feel it is ok to keep holding these lads back?. Lets face it if Lambert does become WC the UK wont be able to claim him and sleep at night surely as he has come through the German system not the British all they have done is hold him back. The same as Woofy came through the Australian. We have Chris Harris who came through the British system doesn't that speaks volumes?. Edited June 20, 2013 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyChesgire Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 An interesting post on FB by Kyle Hughes re last night backs up a lot of the comments - Riding good again tonight and bang 2nd blowup this week, looks like im on the sidelines again ****** off with the robbing ****** in the sport how can us brits move forward like this! Also may explain his up and down form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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