National League Best Pairs - Mildenhall - Sunday 30th June

[junior fan]

Ok so with the fallen rider being in third place he was not going to improve his place so therefore the race should have been awarded, end of.

Blatant cheating, you have to wonder which way it would have went if positions were reversed .

Junior

[adz_mft]

15.5.2 If the Referee stops a Race and the leading Rider has completed a minimum of 2 laps of

the Heat, then the Referee has the sole discretion to order a re-run or award the Heat based

upon the Rider’s positions when the Heat was caused to be stopped, with the disqualified

Rider being awarded no points and Riders behind in the order being advanced one place.

 

This may be the case but how often do you see it happen??

 

Ok so with the fallen rider being in third place he was not going to improve his place so therefore the race should have been awarded, end of.

Blatant cheating, you have to wonder which way it would have went if positions were reversed .

Junior

 

Amusing.Some people on this forum do make me laugh.How do you know he wasn't going to improve his place??

There is a clip of Ricky Ashworth at Scunny a couple of years back.Last place by a distance with 2 laps to go and ended up winning it.

He might not have gained anything but you just don't know that.

I've no idea where the ref was from but there is no way there was cheating.You appear to be another person with a vendetta againts Mildenhall *Yawn*

 

Have to say though,regardless of the refs decision the way the Coventry management handled themselves was terrible.Should be ashamed.

Edited July 1, 2013 by adz_mft

[junior fan]

 

 

This may be the case but how often do you see it happen??

 

 

 

Amusing.Some people on this forum do make me laugh.How do you know he wasn't going to improve his place??

There is a clip of Ricky Ashworth at Scunny a couple of years back.Last place by a distance with 2 laps to go and ended up winning it.

He might not have gained anything but you just don't know that.

I've no idea where the ref was from but there is no way there was cheating.You appear to be another person with a vendetta againts Mildenhall *Yawn*

 

Have to say though,regardless of the refs decision the way the Coventry management handled themselves was terrible.Should be ashamed.

No vendetta at all I'm just asking the question what was the difference in the two races.

And how much did the fact it was Milldenhall at milldenhall affect the decision, and don't for one minute pretend you would have been happy if positions were reversed.

Junior

 

[adz_mft]

No vendetta at all I'm just asking the question what was the difference in the two races.

And how much did the fact it was Milldenhall at milldenhall affect the decision, and don't for one minute pretend you would have been happy if positions were reversed.

Junior

 

As i said before.The previous race should have been re-run and not awarded also.

If it was reversed i would have expected it to be re-run.I wouldn't have been happy but that's what i'd expect.

Been many a time i've seen races where there shouldn't have been a re-run and there has been,but i've also seen it the other way around.

Anyway.If there was cheating with the ref favouring Mildenhall he would have pulled Blackbird back for rolling at the start in pretty much all the final races,but he never did

Edited July 1, 2013 by adz_mft

[vog]

Firstly, what a fantastic meeting it was. An absolute credit to NL speedway, and Halseys race in heat 12 was worth the entrance money alone.

 

Now, the incident. Personally, I think the referee let himself down with a lack of consistency. Awarding the race before had no impact whatsoever, as once the IoW rider was excluded, there was no way they could catch Stoke so there was nothing riding on the heat. Unfortunately, having made that decision, he should have been consistent in awarding races. Unfortunately, the only race in which a re-run was ordered was heat 12, and Coventry feel hard done by because it cost them. In reality, they messed up their tactics in that race, as they were too busy worrying about where Halsey was going and trying to block him. Had they ridden their own race, it could well have been a different story. However, as much as I am sure the Coventry management were annoyed at the decision, they did let themselves down in their actions afterwards. There was no need for Blayne Scroggins to go marching up the track to applaud the referee, and the pushing and shoving in the pits wasn't sensible either.

 

As odd as it sounds, I am glad the referee made the decision, as it meant we could have the heat 12, and all the emotions attached to it.

 

As for the rest of the meeting, Stoke rode their luck into the final, but even that was more than I expected. KL suffered with Worrall falling when leading a couple of races, and IoW suffered from not having Tom Perry. Dudley recovered easily from the opening heat EF, with Morris looking especially classy in passing both Stoke riders. In the other group, Kent and Buxton had the same problem, in that their second rider was off the pace to start, but Kent managed to scrape through an incredibly close group with the best rider on show.

 

In the final, it was always Dudleys for the taking, and they did their part in not getting any last places. However, after having a poor meeting, who could have forseen Luke Priest being the last heat hero for Dudley, passing Halsey and holding on for the win. It was quite nice to hear a pin drop down by the pits as the Mildenhall fans around me went oddly quiet, and giving the bumps to Luke was a nice touch

 

All in all, a fantastic meeting, and Stoke will have a lot to do for the 4's if they want to match it.

[jaybea39]

Can I just point out ...It is called a Best Pairs meeting..In heat 12 Dan Halsey was 3rd shepherding home Josh Bates in 2nd when Josh's engine went causing Dan to fall thus penalising a rider who was actually trying to team ride...Mildenhall knew all they needed was a 2nd and 3rd to qualify....Had Josh had ef and not impeded Dan can you categorically be sure that Dan would not have chased down Rob Branford and passed him...I don't think you can.......re-run

[Fozzie4388]

Ask Richie Worrall about winning heats been stopped and re-run, He was winning with half a lap to go in Heat 3 at Kings Lynn last wednesday when the race was stopped and re-run.

[Main Man]

Can I just point out ...It is called a Best Pairs meeting..In heat 12 Dan Halsey was 3rd shepherding home Josh Bates in 2nd when Josh's engine went causing Dan to fall thus penalising a rider who was actually trying to team ride...Mildenhall knew all they needed was a 2nd and 3rd to qualify....Had Josh had ef and not impeded Dan can you categorically be sure that Dan would not have chased down Rob Branford and passed him...I don't think you can.......re-run

 

and where was James Sarjeant at that point ???

[jaybea39]

main man.......he was challenging halsey and bates

[junior fan]

Can I just point out ...It is called a Best Pairs meeting..In heat 12 Dan Halsey was 3rd shepherding home Josh Bates in 2nd when Josh's engine went causing Dan to fall thus penalising a rider who was actually trying to team ride...Mildenhall knew all they needed was a 2nd and 3rd to qualify....Had Josh had ef and not impeded Dan can you categorically be sure that Dan would not have chased down Rob Branford and passed him...I don't think you can.......re-run

You just answered your own question Bates has an EF and you think you shouldn't be penalised for that , by your way of thinking they may as well not have the race decleration rule because you could say that someone else may have an engine failure, fall off or whatever , that's why it's the refs call.Means diddly squat that they were team riding , that's irelivant.

Junior

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

It was completely right to rerun heat 12 but I'm sure everyone in the stadium was baffled by the decision NOT to rerun heat 11...!!

[jaybea39]

Surely the rule to award a race before the last lap was brought in to stop teams trying to gain an advantage when behind....IMO Dan Halsey did not fall to seek an advantage

[vog]

It was completely right to rerun heat 12 but I'm sure everyone in the stadium was baffled by the decision NOT to rerun heat 11...!!

 

As I posted earlier, I wasn't surprised by the awarding of heat 11 as there was nothing riding on it. IoW needed to gain an advantage from that race to beat Stoke out for second place, and as soon as their rider fell and was to be excluded, there was no way of that happening. Unfortunately, by awarding that race, the referee set a precedent that he then didn't follow in the race after. It very much looked like one rule for one, and one for another, even though I am sure that was not the intended consequence.

 

And Jaybea, Halsey was around the length of the straight behind the very quick Branford, with what would have been a lap to go. I think it is fair to say that he wouldn't have caught him.

 

The awarding or non awarding isn't really the issue, the complaint that Coventry must surely have is that in similar situations, the race was awarded, and it was only in this race that it wasn't. The ref made his decision when he awarded heat 11, and should have continued to stick with that decision through to the end of the meeting.