bamber Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Its all water under the tyne bridge now onwards and upwards.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted June 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Still don't see how they are dodgy but never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Still don't see how they are dodgy but never mind. Â Try Specsavers then, go to the branch that Jim goes to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted June 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Try Specsavers then, go to the branch that Jim goes to. Â Where you actually there on Friday or are you just going by pictures that you have seen?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) Still don't see how they are dodgy but never mind. Â Perhaps "dodgy" is the wrong word..... Â How about "wrong" or "bad" or "bloody awful" (that's two words!). Â And yes, I was there on Friday. These aren't just my opinions, but the same opinion as the Edinburgh supporters standing near us on the third bend. Edited June 17, 2013 by The Abbott 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted June 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Perhaps "dodgy" is the wrong word..... Â How about "wrong" or "bad" or "bloody awful" (that's two words!). Â And yes, I was there on Friday. These aren't just my opinions, but the same opinion as the Edinburgh supporters standing near us on the third bend. Â I will ask you the same question were you there on friday or are you going by picture as well?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) Where you actually there on Friday or are you just going by pictures that you have seen?? Â Wasn't there for a change, but was reading your own and Newcastle updates live. Next. Edited June 17, 2013 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 I will ask you the same question were you there on friday or are you going by picture as well?? Â See my edit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Try Specsavers then, go to the branch that Jim goes to. Â Hopefully not the same branch that gave you spectacles that read "Middlesbrough" instead of "Darlington" when the name Michael Brekon appears in print Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted June 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) Okay so you are going by what someone else had said and lets be honest here if you had went through we wouldn't be discussing decisions that happened on Friday. Â As i said previously was standing on the 3rd bend Max came under all 3 moved them out Ludvig looked like he then clipped Tabaka then they both fell. The ref could of excluded max or ludvig but went for Ludvig if it was at Newcastle he probably would have excluded max or Tabaka. Â These things happen Edited June 17, 2013 by Mr Blobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Okay so you are going by what someone else had said and lets be honest here if you had went through we wouldn't be discussing decisions that happened on Friday.  As i said previously was standing on the 3rd bend Max came under all 3 moved them out Ludvig looked like he then clipped Tabaka then they both fell. The ref could of excluded max or ludvig but went for Ludvig if it was at Newcastle he probably would have excluded max or Tabaka.  These things happen  You're own texter thought Tabaka was the guilty party, and that doesn't depend on me being there or not. Discussions were well in flow on here after Friday, and before last nights meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted June 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) As i said you wouldn't be making such a big deal about this if you went through! Â Sour grapes comes to mind better luck next time. Edited June 17, 2013 by Mr Blobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 As i said you wouldn't be making such a big deal about this if you went through! Â Sour grapes comes to mind better luck next time. Â Well we wouldn't would we, as justice would have been done. i don't do grapes. BTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Depending on where you are situated when spectating, you quite often see a different perspective of incidents. Â Generally when you are closer to an incident with an unimpeded view, the likelihood is you will see the action more accurately. Â I stand high on the fourth bend terracing and this offers a clear unimpeded view of both entering the third bend and a rear view of the home straight. Â The texter stood on the lower terracing near the start gate. Â IIRC George English was viewing from the pits area on the second bend. Â Myself and friends reckoned the ref called the Henry, Vissing, Fricke, & Lindgren exclusions correctly, which we had decent views of. Â The Pijper & Tully exclusions on bend 2 were the furthest away but to us appeared very similar (either all 4 r/r or the falling riders excluded). Â What I would say is that referees box in it's elevated position above the home stand will provide the best overall view of racing in the stadium. Â Perhaps if George English had taken time to consider he was not in the best position to observe what happened on track, he would not have made his petulant outburst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Ht14 was a 50/50 and from the home straight i thought he made the right decision. It goes both ways though, Ht4 on Friday should have been all 4 back and Theo wouldn't have been last in a rerun. Â There were still 16 races to go so you cannot blame the ref for losing you had more than enough chances against a weakened monarchs team to win. I'd hate to think what the score would have been if Mitchell and Joe were there, Theo and cookie were fully fit and Max hadn't trashed a bike on Friday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Stewart Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 I'm sending a video down to Steve Brock so you can have a look, or even buy one for yourselves. Most of the incidents will be shown from two camera angles. You'd have to retain a high level of bias to believe that Newcastle were hard done by. As well as the Pijper exclusion, Max Fricke should probably not have been excluded in heat 2 as his crash was caused by Lewis Kerr going too wide then swinging back across the track, causing Fricke to clip his wheel. Â Agreed Newcastle rode well enough to have won by more than 1 point, but it was not the ref's fault that they didn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 I'm sending a video down to Steve Brock so you can have a look, or even buy one for yourselves. Most of the incidents will be shown from two camera angles. You'd have to retain a high level of bias to believe that Newcastle were hard done by. As well as the Pijper exclusion, Max Fricke should probably not have been excluded in heat 2 as his crash was caused by Lewis Kerr going too wide then swinging back across the track, causing Fricke to clip his wheel. Â Agreed Newcastle rode well enough to have won by more than 1 point, but it was not the ref's fault that they didn't. Â In other words, the ref had a shocker for both teams. It's just that his decisions seem to have more of an adverse effect on Newcastle than it did Edinburgh. To my mind they cost Newcastle a 3 point "swing." Â As far as sour grapes are concerned (not you Mike, but other posts above), no, not at all (not from me anyway). Had the Diamonds gone through, I would still say the ref had a 'mare, as, as I have said, even Monarchs fans stood by me agreed. There were even Glasgow fans nearby, who also thought he made some incorrect decisions. Â But, as also has been pointed out, it depends where you are viewing the action from. Â Well done to the Monarchs in getting through and good luck for the rest of the KOC campaign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTLAND1314 Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 It will be good to hear Al's take on the one's he hasn't already mentioned.  Heat 2 Kerr should have been excluded as he seemed out of control (and the knock on effect was a wrecked bike for Max) Heat 3 It looked like a Newcastle rider should have been excluded as part of the first running and I thought Claus was unlucky to get excluded later Heat 4 This looked all 4 back yet Theo was excluded Heat 11 To me I thought this could have been all 4 back yet Andy was excluded Heat 14 I thought Lindgren was correctly excluded  So the law of averages would suggest a pretty decent swing in favour of Edinburgh but as has been said it's water under the bridge and the Monarchs are through.  Are videos of the Newcastle v Edinburgh match going to be available at Armadale this Friday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Irrespective of what happened at Armadale on Friday night, I still believe Newcastle should have had enough in the tank to see a wounded and depleted Edinburgh team off comfortably on Sunday. Â The fact one or two riders didn't perform to their early season showing has been enough to point the finger of blame back to the refereeing decisions on Friday. Â There were still 15 races on Sunday that - if it'd have been me, I'd have been more than happy with a 1pt lead going into the home leg of the tie... Â A lot of things have been said that about the ref being the deciding factor and certain Diamonds not performing to their abilities. It was the same last Tuesday against Somerset, where if certain Rebels had performed to their ability, it'd have been a walk in the park for them too!!! In my eyes, credit should be given where it's due to the fact that this Edinburgh septet didn't allow their hosts on either occasion to do what they can normally do and the battling qualities are what brought them through both very tough matches... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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