george.m Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Given that a drop from £17 to £10 would require either a 70% increase in adult attendance, Or a 70% reduction in costs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted June 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 "Dropping the admission to £10 will certainly increase the crowds but, without the associated drop in costs, it'd be financial suicide" of course no one would recommend one without the other take a look at bundesliga football - see what they've done. Of course Germans don't know what they're doing do they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 sorry but thats not good enough. It has to reduce its overheads. It can be done. It HAS to be done. Theres a hundred ways and we can all name a few - machines, pay, flights my God flying people all over Europe to ride infront of 500 people!!! Get real!! A non league footballer in front of a similar crowd might get £150 will they? will they really? how many - an extra 100? An extra 100 people paying £15.00 equates to £1,500 a meeting and if your club has 25 home meetings a season that would make £37.000 in a seasonThat looks quite good to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Take a look at Eurosport tonight. Speedway from a stadium built for speedway & what a fab arena it is. Shows what can happen if the sport is run as a sport & not a micky mouse side show as it has been in the UK for years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted June 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 An extra 100 people paying £15.00 equates to £1,500 a meeting and if your club has 25 home meetings a season that would make £37.000 in a season That looks quite good to me great - sorted - everythings ok then cheers! don't know why i was worrying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 An extra 100 people paying £15.00 equates to £1,500 a meeting and if your club has 25 home meetings a season that would make £37.000 in a season That looks quite good to me Forgive me, but wasn't this all about the additional people who are going to come "if the weather is good" As I am about to plan my holidays, I would be really interested to hear of the Speedway venue that is is going to get this freakish 25 week heatwave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 I actually think the problem is attracting new supporters whatever the price, ten pound is about right though.All this stems from promoters over the years taking the diehards supporters for granted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 I actually think the problem is attracting new supporters whatever the price, ten pound is about right though.All this stems from promoters over the years taking the diehards supporters for granted. Sneak in over the wall, a programme and a couple of pints and that's about a tenner Sidders.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 As SS said, the overheads involved mean that speedway as we know it will never be a £10 sport. That's just the business reality, Speedway will not survive as a £10 sport. Of course it will, it just has to increase attendances.....entrance to a speedway meeting in Poland is substantially less, but they seem to be doing ok don't they!!! ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Sneak in over the wall, a programme and a couple of pints and that's about a tenner Sidders.... Ive done that ER when younger,my mum used to say how could you afford all those souvenirs! Being realistic ten pound wouldn't be viable surely,people like us will pay whatever but i just don't see where the new supporter is coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 I work with some Poles & bearing in mind the Polish riders we have had at Ipswich over the years they would love to go but its too expensive! The problem is when the sport in the country should have been developed in the 70's & 80's is wasn't so we then come up with the years late 80's to now with cost cutting crap rules & nothing done to try & attract outside support. Maybe now is the time to start over in the uk. I have got back in to Speedway this year through the gp on Euro sport & I think a lot more people will see it now its on Euro sport. The gp's this year have been good & tonights has been fantastic & shows what a great sport it can be. We in the uk need to start rebuilding on the back of this move from Sky as it maybe the last chance we get. As I said I have got back into it I watch the gp's buy the speedway star but do I go up to Foxhall every week? The answer is no & that is down to the micky mouse way the sport in this country is run nothing to do with cost to get in or which league the Witches are in. I think I am not alone!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 I work with some Poles & bearing in mind the Polish riders we have had at Ipswich over the years they would love to go but its too expensive! The problem is when the sport in the country should have been developed in the 70's & 80's is wasn't so we then come up with the years late 80's to now with cost cutting crap rules & nothing done to try & attract outside support. Maybe now is the time to start over in the uk. I have got back in to Speedway this year through the gp on Euro sport & I think a lot more people will see it now its on Euro sport. The gp's this year have been good & tonights has been fantastic & shows what a great sport it can be. We in the uk need to start rebuilding on the back of this move from Sky as it maybe the last chance we get. As I said I have got back into it I watch the gp's buy the speedway star but do I go up to Foxhall every week? The answer is no & that is down to the micky mouse way the sport in this country is run nothing to do with cost to get in or which league the Witches are in. I think I am not alone!!!!!!!!!!! Good post and its people like you that the sport should be trying to entice back to want to go everyweek.I wonder why you don't? as you said Micky Mouse comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 We need to stop paying silly money to mediocre Riders for starters.the crowd levels should determine the money paid out.How many teams at the end of last season said they had lost money yet these same Teams are paying money to riders who probably are the most expensive in the League. The sport cannot survive in its present state it is not not attracting new fans in any significant numbers and the regular fans seem be drifting away. I certainly don't confess to know a solution ,but IMO technology has overtaken the sport . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 I believe speedway to be a £10 sport. I would definitely attend more meetings if they paid £10. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 It's a chicken and egg situation surely? Elite League promoters are really up against it with all the various fixtures their riders are taking part in and so having to fit around! Premier League promoters have it relatively easier imo and so don't need such a complicated set of rules! I guess the only way to make running EL teams easier would be for all teams to run on only 2 nights of the week. It would certainly make it better for tv for starters and riders' calendars! But will this ever happen? Speedway could also do with more tv money so they could use it to attract more fans particularly for tv matches!! I'd be all for having more PL together with EL meetings on tv, it's good to see lots of different tracks and riders! I realise that this wouldn't go down well with EL promoters but I guess British speedway isn't really in a position to pick and choose?? I guess PL promoters know their job is easier than EL promoters as far as sorting their fixtures and signing riders is concerned? We'll see what happens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 i think the final straw for a lot of people was when when the admission price went up to over £1 per race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van wolfswinkel Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 (edited) Sneak in over the wall, a programme and a couple of pints and that's about a tenner Sidders.... If you go to Blunsdon half-way through the meeting you can usually get in for nought. I've tried and tested all fences and walls and the only way you get in for free thesedays is to use a pole vault. German Bundesliga seat prices are comparable with our Premiership. It's the standing terraces that are cheap, around 10 quid. So yes if you have to stand at Blunsdon in a decrepit stadium with poor views its probably not worth more than a tenner. Seated in a decent stand would pay about13/14 quid. Edited June 15, 2013 by bertie boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 riders deserve every penny they can get ,i know i was one but i also know that the money just isnt there in the sport and something has got to give but nobody is trying to do anything about it. a couple of years ago 1 rider practically bankrupted the premier league club he rode for and he was only a reserve for them .it wasnt the points money he was on although he was on a good deal for the premier league it was the extras he was getting paid. ie flights ,mechanic ,etc. i dont blame the rider or the club but these things need to be addressed ,its just getting worse and untill ways are found to get the crowds back watching british speedway they have got to stop. but where are the meetings between the bspa and the riders to find a way forward?.. i wont hold my breath 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanozoff Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I think that your 'facts' about non league football are way off the mark. Last season I went to a few non league matches and paid £17 at Alfreton Town, £15 at Mansfield and £16 at Grimsby. The average crowds are similar but the £8-12 entrance fee is dated by about 5 or 6 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted June 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I think that your 'facts' about non league football are way off the mark. Last season I went to a few non league matches and paid £17 at Alfreton Town, £15 at Mansfield and £16 at Grimsby. The average crowds are similar but the £8-12 entrance fee is dated by about 5 or 6 years. its easy to pick holes in my analogy but 90 percent of the posters think the same as me. If you disagree - fine - but what do you think should be done? by the way i pay £8 to stand with 3-400 people in the Northern League - not a kick in the arse from average PL crowds Conference is professional football these days and i specifically said that was not comparable. By the way - £17 to watch conference - you must be bonkers!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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