Sheffield V Plymouth 13/6

[Shale Shaker]

I'd be surprised if Andre isn't without a bob or two.

 

However he must have named a pretty good price to be lured out of reirement??

[Steve55]

I've got to agree that we need a team manager who knows what he's doing. The thing I find most surprising is that no one seems to have mentioned the fact that last night we were running Rider replacement for the fifth averaged rider in the Number 5 position meaning that only Joe, Damien and Jake could take the rides. In 3 of the races there is already either Damien or Jake in the race anyway so in 2 of the rides it was going to be the 2 reserves. That was the only reason why Jake had so many rides.

I don't understand why its taken so long to change the riding order. It was obvious to most people at the start of the season that Joe should be riding at number 2. It is also obvious that Ricky riding with Richard is not a good combination. I have always thought that Richard should be riding at number 5 at home with Ricky riding at 5 for away meetings but that seems to be far too obvious for our team managers.

 

We need now to hope that Saturday's meeting goes ahead so we can make some much needed changes.

Wells & Hall aren't a good combination, last night they produced 8 out of a possible 15 points riding together and it was 11 last week, hardly what you'd call a 'nailed on' match winning combination is it! Agree with you fully Thommo this should've been sorted at beginning of season(who should be riding at 5), again if this can be seen by the vast majority on the terraces it only shows how inept the team management really is.

Thanks for the replies from the Worky fans gives me hope that Andre might pull on a Sheffield race jacket next week! (Please, please Mr. Machin)

[psycho3a]

I really can't see why folks are making such a fuss over Andre.. Yes 9 years ago he was an exceptional rider and slowly declined until his retirement when his average was under 6 , he is now 36 and hasn't been riding for 3 years where as we have a very talented up and coming English rider who if he had 2 seasons injury free would be a 9 plus premier league rider and a 7 pt elite rider.. Lets move away from the ex riders and move on unless we could fit both in ??

[Cue Ball]

Just thinking, could the R/R being at 5 be down to the fact that Facu was only declared as not riding on the day of the meeting ie after the team was declared programmes printed etc?

[thommo34]

Just thinking, could the R/R being at 5 be down to the fact that Facu was only declared as not riding on the day of the meeting ie after the team was declared programmes printed etc?

I don't think so - I knew he wasn't riding on Wednesday.

[Piccolo]

Clearly the Sheffield management have made decisions to wind everyone up on this forum and I expect them to continue doing just that, in fact where they are going wrong is by managing the team before and during the meeting - they should be doing it afterwards when they get home like the rest of the turkeys on this forum. They'll have to have a second, third and fourth in the Richard of the week award next week!

[Dick Dastardly]

What has happened to the standard of racing this year at Owlerton? Sheffield has always been regarded as a track where riders can have a real go if they've got the bottle. In previous seasons we've been used to seeing the home riders use the outside lines to sweep past opponents on the exits to turns 2 & 4 but now it doesn't seem to work.

This was evident again against Plymouth apart from Damien Koppe's pass of Mark Lemon.

In other heats we had Simon Stead struggling at the back in Ht 1, Richard Hall not making any impression on Todd Kurtz in Ht 5, Joe Haines, brilliant in all his other rides, couldn't catch Jake Anderson in Ht 6, Mikkel Bech last in Ht 10 and Simon not getting close to Cory Gathercole in Ht 15. Why are these quality riders finding it so hard to pass inferior ones this season at Sheffield?

We seem to be subjected to lap after lap of tractor grading but it makes no difference to the quality of the racing?

Any ideas?

[Steve55]

Clearly the Sheffield management have made decisions to wind everyone up on this forum and I expect them to continue doing just that, in fact where they are going wrong is by managing the team before and during the meeting - they should be doing it afterwards when they get home like the rest of the turkeys on this forum. They'll have to have a second, third and fourth in the Richard of the week award next week!

Yes these posts are put on after the meeting, but if you took time to read them the posters are quoting things that are being muted on the terraces during the meeting, at the times when the management are making their decisions!

Guess that makes YOU number 1 Richard of the week!

[Charlieboy]

We haven't had a good manager for years.At one of the s.t.a.r.r.s. meetings when interviewing steady he didn't know what average steady was starting on ? That doesnt give you much confidence before season starts so not surprised the way we make team decisions.Hally should be made to ride at 5 at home and switch with wellsy away.R/R at 3 or 4 in my opinion.We are not strong enough to keep putting 2 reserves out together.

[Elephantman]

The trouble with all sports is that those who follow think they can do better than those that do.

[Adrian Brownell]

just heard andre gone to ride for Edinburgh another rider we misted our season is starting to look over already at sheffield

[Sparky from Sheffield]

Another?

[Cue Ball]

Where's this rumour come from out of interest? Seems a curious move for Andre to me

[graz gp]

I was told Thursday that Compton was nailed on for Scunny. I think we will have to just wait and see.

[Cue Ball]

Spreading himself a bit thin isn't he!?!?

[Charlieboy]

The trouble with all sports is that those who follow think they can do better than those that do.

after following Sheffield for 52 years,seen plenty of riders and team managers to have an idea of how team changes,i.e. who should take which r/r and what positions riders should be in the team.You don't need a degree.Along with probably half the supporters who attend every week.Our management cant even make the simple decisions.

[spin king]

Clearly the Sheffield management have made decisions to wind everyone up on this forum and I expect them to continue doing just that, in fact where they are going wrong is by managing the team before and during the meeting - they should be doing it afterwards when they get home like the rest of the turkeys on this forum. They'll have to have a second, third and fourth in the Richard of the week award next week!

Well been one the Team Managements biggest critics I suppose I will be in line for the Richard of the Week.

 

I tell you what I will come onto the cetntre green and accept my reward providing they tell everyone what I have said.

 

This is what I said on here after the Leicester match and have been saying for weeks before that.

 

Had time to sleep on the result and feel I can put down my views.

 

I said at the start of the season that the team was a gamble and that gamble has not paid off, we need to make changes to the team, but to make any decent changes we need to wait now till mid June when our riders on assessed riders gain proper averages.

 

Okay but what do the Team Management done to change things or try and get the best of the team?

 

Nothing..

 

At home we should be at least trying to win all meetings and cannot understand why they don't mix the riding orders up..

 

Anyone can see that Joe Haines is not suited riding at number 3

 

Joe is a rider who relies on his gating and is known to have a fragile confidence level, why stick him at 3 where his first race is either off gates 3 and 4 which at Sheffield is a bit of a graveyard gates. For me its killing his confidence.

 

Stick Joe at number 2 where he will be off either gates 1 or 2, where he has consistently beat some very good riders already this season, and a winning start will give him more confidence as the meeting goes along.

 

Richard Hall, is a match for Simon Stead around Sheffield, where have the Sheffield Management place him, at number 4 That means our 2nd best rider in the team has his last programme ride in heat 14, by which time its too late to make any difference to the scoreline in a team that is struggling, either stick him at 5.

 

Ricky Wells is our top man away, but can be a bit indifferent at home, so why not for home matches give him the number 3 race jacket.

 

The reserves are what they are and we have to live with that.

 

If we replace anyone before mid June it would be basically cosmetic and I don't think that anything would change results wise, but come mid June we should have some serious amount of points to play with to make some drastic changes, where we will have a choice of with the possibility of either dropping one reserve and bringing in a rider of around 6.50 to 7.50, or dropping both reserves and bringing in a two riders with a combined average of around 11.

 

By that time, the Play offs will be out of reach, but still have the League cup to go at so all is not lost.

 

But the Team Management has to do something, for me a change in the riding order as a temporary fix, and then Mid June lets make some changes that could just turn the season around and have us making some serious challengers for some sliverware, even though at the moment it seems unlikely.

 

If that makes me a turkey then what does that say about the Team Management.

 

Over to you Dave.

Edited June 15, 2013 by spin king

[Mr Blobby]

just heard andre gone to ride for Edinburgh another rider we misted our season is starting to look over already at sheffield

 

Who ever told you that must have had one to many

[Halifaxtiger]

What has happened to the standard of racing this year at Owlerton? Sheffield has always been regarded as a track where riders can have a real go if they've got the bottle. In previous seasons we've been used to seeing the home riders use the outside lines to sweep past opponents on the exits to turns 2 & 4 but now it doesn't seem to work.

This was evident again against Plymouth apart from Damien Koppe's pass of Mark Lemon.

In other heats we had Simon Stead struggling at the back in Ht 1, Richard Hall not making any impression on Todd Kurtz in Ht 5, Joe Haines, brilliant in all his other rides, couldn't catch Jake Anderson in Ht 6, Mikkel Bech last in Ht 10 and Simon not getting close to Cory Gathercole in Ht 15. Why are these quality riders finding it so hard to pass inferior ones this season at Sheffield?

We seem to be subjected to lap after lap of tractor grading but it makes no difference to the quality of the racing?

Any ideas?

 

 

I think that the very fact that Koppe passed Lemon speaks volumes. If he, a first season rider, can go round someone of Lemon's experience I'd say the others could have done the same.

 

Heat 1 is never, at any track, known for passing moves, Hall was poor all evening, Haines is a gater and Gathercole was the best visitor I have seen this season (albeit in only three visits). What's more, he seemed to ride just where Stead wanted to.

 

I think the track was a lot better than the racing might have suggested.

 

The trouble with all sports is that those who follow think they can do better than those that do.

 

Judging by the inept use of rider replacement and reserve changes on Thursday and the comments made here in this case it seems to me they can.

 

I am anything but an expert but I said Koppe should be in heat 8 at the time.

 

In my view, team management cost Sheffield the win.

 

Well been one the Team Managements biggest critics I suppose I will be in line for the Richard of the Week.

 

I tell you what I will come onto the cetntre green and accept my reward providing they tell everyone what I have said.

 

This is what I said on here after the Leicester match and have been saying for weeks before that.

 

Had time to sleep on the result and feel I can put down my views.

 

I said at the start of the season that the team was a gamble and that gamble has not paid off, we need to make changes to the team, but to make any decent changes we need to wait now till mid June when our riders on assessed riders gain proper averages.

 

Okay but what do the Team Management done to change things or try and get the best of the team?

 

Nothing..

 

At home we should be at least trying to win all meetings and cannot understand why they don't mix the riding orders up..

 

Anyone can see that Joe Haines is not suited riding at number 3

 

Joe is a rider who relies on his gating and is known to have a fragile confidence level, why stick him at 3 where his first race is either off gates 3 and 4 which at Sheffield is a bit of a graveyard gates. For me its killing his confidence.

 

Stick Joe at number 2 where he will be off either gates 1 or 2, where he has consistently beat some very good riders already this season, and a winning start will give him more confidence as the meeting goes along.

 

Richard Hall, is a match for Simon Stead around Sheffield, where have the Sheffield Management place him, at number 4 That means our 2nd best rider in the team has his last programme ride in heat 14, by which time its too late to make any difference to the scoreline in a team that is struggling, either stick him at 5.

 

Ricky Wells is our top man away, but can be a bit indifferent at home, so why not for home matches give him the number 3 race jacket.

 

The reserves are what they are and we have to live with that.

 

If we replace anyone before mid June it would be basically cosmetic and I don't think that anything would change results wise, but come mid June we should have some serious amount of points to play with to make some drastic changes, where we will have a choice of with the possibility of either dropping one reserve and bringing in a rider of around 6.50 to 7.50, or dropping both reserves and bringing in a two riders with a combined average of around 11.

 

By that time, the Play offs will be out of reach, but still have the League cup to go at so all is not lost.

 

But the Team Management has to do something, for me a change in the riding order as a temporary fix, and then Mid June lets make some changes that could just turn the season around and have us making some serious challengers for some sliverware, even though at the moment it seems unlikely.

 

If that makes me a turkey then what does that say about the Team Management.

 

Over to you Dave.

 

The crucial point will come when the averages change. We'll see.

 

There's no question about the fact that Haines is better at 2 and that is evident from his performances. You were dead right, and have been all along.

 

I thought putting Wells and Hall together was a strange decision and it looks to be a bad one. Your riding line up looks spot on to me.

[screm]

just heard andre gone to ride for Edinburgh another rider we misted our season is starting to look over already at sheffield

 

Instead of who,sorry but cant see it happening.