Daniel Smith Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 Elite League v Premier League Just think about this for a moment before it gets rubbished. If you could pick the top 4 tracks in the EL how many have been on Sky in 2013? King's Lynn Peterborough Wolverhampton Birmingham If you could pick the top 4 tracks from the Premier League how many of those have been on in 2013? Sheffield Somerset Berwick Scunthorpe I believe Sky are picking these meetings purposely to put the BSPA & it's possible new Elite League contact in it's place to force the value down showing that lower league speedway actually has more value than the "Supposed" "Better" Elite League Opinions peeps!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 Wouldn't argue with that. Showing Scunthorpe and Somerset all the time is akin to gping to Lynn every week. Why not show Ipswich, Glasgow and Rye House? 3 tracks that get a slating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 (edited) I was thinking the very same thing tonight while watching Somerset v Edinburgh. There seems to be some skill being used in selecting a well matched meeting from the PL while half the problems in the EL matches seem to be the mismatched meetings they chose to show. I was down at Somerset to support Rye House and the meeting was rubbish but they chose to show Edinburgh a much more evenly matched meeting. Similarly the choice of Newcastle at Berwick. I honestly believe that sky may well go down the route of a cheaper show next season from the PL as they have done with other sports, as far as Ipswich and Rye House being slated Leicester is slated far more and generally by the home fans. Lets see how Leicester v Glasgow would fare on the telly Edited June 11, 2013 by westhamboy66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 After tonight's exciting (never thought I'd live to say that again about a domestic speedway match) Somerset-Edinburgh set-to, surely SKY should be giving more money for PL than for the EL dross they buy. Tonight proved what I've been saying for ages, speedway is still exciting... but it's got to have men willing to want to race and not just ride. Perhaps PL boys aren't tired racing around the globe for various tams in various countries and have a freshness and hunger to race. My belief in the sport has been woken up. Thanks Somerset and Ediburgh. Let's see more lower league(s) activity and less of the so-called star riders. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 After tonight's exciting (never thought I'd live to say that again about a domestic speedway match) Somerset-Edinburgh set-to, surely SKY should be giving more money for PL than for the EL dross they buy. Tonight proved what I've been saying for ages, speedway is still exciting... but it's got to have men willing to want to race and not just ride. Perhaps PL boys aren't tired racing around the globe for various tams in various countries and have a freshness and hunger to race. My belief in the sport has been woken up. Thanks Somerset and Ediburgh. Let's see more lower league(s) activity and less of the so-called star riders. WOULDN'T be surprised if that is exactly what Sky are thinking... nothing wrong with star riders if they are within balanced teams but therein lies the problem with the Elite League these days. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixy230 Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Thats what Sky should show! Decent teams, decent racing, decent tracks, decent crowd, decent scores! I still think the wrong bloke got excluded! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 i can see us having to choose between live EL on Eurosport, PL on Sky, and NL on BT next season... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 i can see us having to choose between live EL on Eurosport, PL on Sky, and NL on BT next season... Not forgetting STR on Motors tv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockney Rebel Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Elite League v Premier League Just think about this for a moment before it gets rubbished. If you could pick the top 4 tracks in the EL how many have been on Sky in 2013? King's Lynn Peterborough Wolverhampton Birmingham If you could pick the top 4 tracks from the Premier League how many of those have been on in 2013? Sheffield Somerset Berwick Scunthorpe I believe Sky are picking these meetings purposely to put the BSPA & it's possible new Elite League contact in it's place to force the value down showing that lower league speedway actually has more value than the "Supposed" "Better" Elite League Opinions peeps!!!!!! Don't think they're doing it to push the value down but may be considering sharing the pot more with the PL clubs. The most exciting meetings shown this year have all been PL so it would make sense to show more of them if they intend to renew the contract. I wonder what some of the EL snobs have to say about the EL being a superior product? I am not suggesting thet all EL supporters are snobs but there are a few who have voiced that opinion on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 i can see us having to choose between live EL on Eurosport, PL on Sky, and NL on BT next season... CANNOT see Eurosport stumping up 40 grand in production costs for every EL meeting. There are those in the industry who think that those current Sky costs could be reduced and perhaps the way forward for the BSPA is to offer the product (rather as BSI do with the GPs) and see whether they can glean more money that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 perhaps the way forward for the BSPA is to offer the product (rather as BSI do with the GPs) and see whether they can glean more money that way. I take it that you say this in jest. Can you just imagine the Dog's breakfast that would be produced by El Tel and BSPA Productions Ltd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 I too can not see Eurosport paying the weekly production costs for the elite league unless they could get a major coverage sponsor which is not likely to happen. On the other hand I don't want to see Speedway go down the same line of dog racing who produce their own coverage then just sell it onto Sky, The product delivered now in my mind is very poor with very few cameras and no HD it would be fine in a bookmakers but for home broadcast is not up to standard and would be surprised if Sky were willing to take Speedway on the same basis unless a guarantee on quality was given. I am fully expecting and heard rumbles that BT will be interested in British speedway especially if subscriber numbers are not good at year end they need regular summer sport to avoid summer churn which happens when football and Rugby union season finish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 I take it that you say this in jest. Can you just imagine the Dog's breakfast that would be produced by El Tel and BSPA Productions Ltd! NOT in jest but obviously not thinking it would be handled by the BSPA! But, for example, the guys that oversee the GP coverage are more than capable of arranging quality TV production at a cost. The BSPA would have to fund that and get their money back and more by selling it on. The flaw, of course, is that it requires a level of professionalism from Rugby that is sadly lacking. I too can not see Eurosport paying the weekly production costs for the elite league unless they could get a major coverage sponsor which is not likely to happen. On the other hand I don't want to see Speedway go down the same line of dog racing who produce their own coverage then just sell it onto Sky, The product delivered now in my mind is very poor with very few cameras and no HD it would be fine in a bookmakers but for home broadcast is not up to standard and would be surprised if Sky were willing to take Speedway on the same basis unless a guarantee on quality was given. I am fully expecting and heard rumbles that BT will be interested in British speedway especially if subscriber numbers are not good at year end they need regular summer sport to avoid summer churn which happens when football and Rugby union season finish PRESUME that if Sky did continue that they would provide their own pictures. But if they withdraw then some sort of alternative will have to be sort although, as you so rightly say, it would have to be of the quality now expected by all broadcasters including BT and Eurosport. NOT in jest but obviously not thinking it would be handled by the BSPA! But, for example, the guys that oversee the GP coverage are more than capable of arranging quality TV production at a cost. The BSPA would have to fund that and get their money back and more by selling it on. The flaw, of course, is that it requires a level of professionalism from Rugby that is sadly lacking. PRESUME that if Sky did continue that they would provide their own pictures. But if they withdraw then some sort of alternative will have to be sort although, as you so rightly say, it would have to be of the quality now expected by all broadcasters including BT and Eurosport. Or even sought NOT in jest but obviously not thinking it would be handled by the BSPA! But, for example, the guys that oversee the GP coverage are more than capable of arranging quality TV production at a cost. The BSPA would have to fund that and get their money back and more by selling it on. The flaw, of course, is that it requires a level of professionalism from Rugby that is sadly lacking. PRESUME that if Sky did continue that they would provide their own pictures. But if they withdraw then some sort of alternative will have to be sort although, as you so rightly say, it would have to be of the quality now expected by all broadcasters including BT and Eurosport. ! Or even sought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 I think the conspiracy theory is a little wacky too be honest. Thanks Somerset and Ediburgh. Let's see more lower league(s) activity and less of the so-called star riders. WOULDN'T be surprised if that is exactly what Sky are thinking... nothing wrong with star riders if they are within balanced teams but therein lies the problem with the Elite League these days. Agree with both of the above and i mentioned similar elsewhere " it does cross my mind that there seems to be more of a uniformity of riders of the same class in the Premier League. In the Elite League you get races where there is a clear top rider and also a single fairly weak one. This results in less races where all four or three even have a chance to win the race. Granted there are not as many top riders as there used to be but that only adds to the problem. You get good racing in Poland, and Sweden to a lesser extent, because you'll often get races with several top riders. Speaking on the whole and not every race of course." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) NOT in jest but obviously not thinking it would be handled by the BSPA! But, for example, the guys that oversee the GP coverage are more than capable of arranging quality TV production at a cost. The BSPA would have to fund that and get their money back and more by selling it on. The flaw, of course, is that it requires a level of professionalism from Rugby that is sadly lacking. The accuracy of that last point means that any notion of such an operation is utterly impossible to imagine. Once the Sky Gravy Train grinds to halt there will be no money available to finance any production company who could offer their footage to rival broadcasters. No one has had the foresight to keep a contigency fund available to try and ensure a TV future after Sky, have they? And who would be prepared to underwrite the operation with their own money? As rights holders I suppose the whole matter will be in the hands of GoSpeed, won't it? And apart from the original contract with Sky they have achieved so little. They haven't even been able to package the Polish Extraleague so that it is saleable; which is a pitiful performance, considering the quality of the raw material. Edited June 12, 2013 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymondbudd Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Some excellent posts on this topic so far. It would be interesting to see if the viewing figures for PL matches are comparable (or above) those for EL. From where I am, I cannot see any rational reason why they would be down. On the issue of creating their own content. Given the relative moaning from British Promoters, I find it difficult to see anybody wishing to take the financial risk. However the likelihood is that by creating their own product, there is more chance of seeking a substantial enough profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 CANNOT see Eurosport stumping up 40 grand in production costs for every EL meeting. I can't see Sky bothering next season either. If they were really interested in speedway, why did they allow the GP contract to go to Eurosport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) I can't see Sky bothering next season either. If they were really interested in speedway, why did they allow the GP contract to go to Eurosport? I'm certainly not arguing with the thought that Sky may not bother next season. But The GP contract was all about Saturday nights. Sky have plenty of Live Sport already bought and paid for to cover their needs at the weekend. With a year left to run on the Elite League contract that is being used to fill their need for Live Sport through the summer on Monday and Tuesdays. Whilst the EL fits their needs they will make use of it. Whether or not they want it next year we have yet to find out. Edited June 12, 2013 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Anyone know when there will be an announcement made about Television Coverage of League Speedway next year? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 NOT a good day for Sky ...hours of wasted time at Edgbaston with the cricket rained off and now the loss of live speedway. Summer sports, don't you just luv 'em Anyone know when there will be an announcement made about Television Coverage of League Speedway next year? :unsure: COULD be chicken and egg at the moment. What product will the BSPA have to offer? EL, PL or just one league? General Council meeting yesterday... probably like the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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