Parken Gp 2013

[Rob B]

 

!st observation is how come they always get the track in such good nick there & yet Cardiff is crap every year?? Its indoor & virtually the same size & yet they're like chalk & cheese. Decent bit of dirt on it when Cardiff always looks sandy, dry & bald. No idea why this happens year after year??

 

 

The different type of dirt where it comes from, can't exactly ship it over from Denmark to Cardiff.

 

The reason Nigel was saying it won't be back next year was due to Eurovision, this site says Eurovision has been ruled out there :

 

http://www.eurovision.tv/page/news?id=eurovision_will_not_return_to_parken_in_2014

[Humphrey Appleby]

The reason Nigel was saying it won't be back next year was due to Eurovision, this site says Eurovision has been ruled out there :

 

More likely it's not going back because it's not making money.

[PHILIPRISING]

More likely it's not going back because it's not making money.

More likely it's not going back because it's not making money.

 

THE reason is simple ... Wonderful Copenhagen, who have supported the event there for several years, pulled out. PARKEN were not prepared to hand over their stadium for six weeks in order to stage the Eurovision Song Contest but we were told over the weekend that the city officials in Copenhagen were still hoping to host it elsewhere in the capital.

[Humphrey Appleby]

THE reason is simple ... Wonderful Copenhagen, who have supported the event there for several years, pulled out.

 

Presumably though, the tourist board was forking over sums of money for the privilege of the GP being in Copenhagen, and without that it's no longer viable. Even with football being played there, it's surely still possible to find a weekend out of season.

 

I'm not sure I believe the story about the stadium being needed for six weeks if it hosts the Eurovision Song Contest. I (literally) got stuck in a lift with a Eurovision engineer in Azerbaijan once, and whilst we were waiting to get rescued, he told me they were installing the stuff in a few days.

Edited July 1, 2013 by Humphrey Appleby

[Ghostwalker]

I'd agree with you Phil.Fingers crossed someone does a bit of magic with Prague and sorts Vojens out in the future as well.I don't think much can be done with that Italian track though

 

Well according to Ole, there is nothing wrong with Vojen's track. All that it needs is some more grand stands.

Then there is the weather factor, During how many of Vojen's GP's, SWC's. GP qualifying the past 10 years or so, have it been raining?

[Grand Central]

The different type of dirt where it comes from, can't exactly ship it over from Denmark to Cardiff.

 

Why not?

Is that not what ships are for?

 

Then they would arrange it into a pyramid shape and keep it at their state-of-the-art, climate controlled facility in Wales between each years event.

Surely that is foolproof.

Edited July 1, 2013 by Grand Central

[Ghostwalker]

The different type of dirt where it comes from, can't exactly ship it over from Denmark to Cardiff.

 

The reason Nigel was saying it won't be back next year was due to Eurovision, this site says Eurovision has been ruled out there :

 

http://www.eurovisio..._parken_in_2014

 

actually it is the same dirt at all the temporary tracks isn't it? At least I've read claims/statements that it is so.

[fullbore]

Well according to Ole, there is nothing wrong with Vojen's track.

 

Well he would say that!

 

Niamh

[Humphrey Appleby]

actually it is the same dirt at all the temporary tracks isn't it?

 

I seem to remember it being claimed it was shipped around in barges or something like that, but maybe that was a bit like the 'climate controlled facility'.

[PHILIPRISING]

THE dirt used at all the temporary tracks, including New Zealand, is as near as possible the same type of material and mixed to the same specifications. Over the years Ole has found what works best and along with countless experiments at a Danish laboratory now knows exactly what is required to achieve the right texture.

 

There are separate supplies stored for Cardiff, Copenhagen, Gothenburg and, of course, Auckland, which is kept undercover and on site at Western Springs.

 

The material used at Gelenkirchen was, in fact, transported for much of the way by barges to and from Denmark.

 

I would imagine that the dirt used at Parken last week will now be used in Stockholm later this year and there will be new material at Cardiff next year too.

 

Incidentally, I have a friend (who rode on the grass for many years) who has been involved in soil examination for over 50 years and was, in fact, at Cardiff. He says storing material in a pyramid shape is not an unusual practice. Subsequent investigation has determined that mistakes were made at the storage facility in Wales and despite the constant monitoring and information supplied on a regular basis to BSI the moisture content was far too high when it arrived at the Millennium Stadium.

 

As I say, new material will be used next year and the method in which it will be stored for future use has been changed significantly.

[f-s-p]

The different type of dirt where it comes from, can't exactly ship it over from Denmark to Cardiff.

You hold on to that thought....

[Humphrey Appleby]

Incidentally, I have a friend (who rode on the grass for many years) who has been involved in soil examination for over 50 years and was, in fact, at Cardiff. He says storing material in a pyramid shape is not an unusual practice. Subsequent investigation has determined that mistakes were made at the storage facility in Wales and despite the constant monitoring and information supplied on a regular basis to BSI the moisture content was far too high when it arrived at the Millennium Stadium.

 

I don't think anyone would criticise the fact that the shale was kept in a pyramid shaped pile - it's pretty obvious that's the best way to store it. Obviously though, the tarpaulins leaked and/or there was insufficient drainage around the base, and most likely the pile was not actually being monitored as closely as claimed.

[Grand Central]

I don't think anyone would criticise the fact that the shale was kept in a pyramid shaped pile - it's pretty obvious that's the best way to store it. Obviously though, the tarpaulins leaked and/or there was insufficient drainage around the base, and most likely the pile was not actually being monitored as closely as claimed.

 

Keeping a pile of shale under a tarpaulin with the pile in a sort of pyramid shape is, of course, blindingly obvious.

It was the way in which this was 'revealed' in Cardiff week that was so comical.

 

Along with the much vaunted 'control' and 'monitoring'.

That so surprisingly turned out to be not worth a row of beans.

 

To have put so much belief in it was so quaint.

 

 

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Edited July 2, 2013 by Grand Central

[Navigator1900]

Zagar shut the door on Emil, he knew that he was behind, must have heard his engine, correct decision by the referee !

 

 

Any ref should be able to call that one right,even Christine Turnbull.

 

 

 

Then its the wrong view.

[TheReturn]

THE dirt used at all the temporary tracks, including New Zealand, is as near as possible the same type of material and mixed to the same specifications. Over the years Ole has found what works best and along with countless experiments at a Danish laboratory now knows exactly what is required to achieve the right texture.

 

There are separate supplies stored for Cardiff, Copenhagen, Gothenburg and, of course, Auckland, which is kept undercover and on site at Western Springs.

 

The material used at Gelenkirchen was, in fact, transported for much of the way by barges to and from Denmark.

 

I would imagine that the dirt used at Parken last week will now be used in Stockholm later this year and there will be new material at Cardiff next year too.

 

Incidentally, I have a friend (who rode on the grass for many years) who has been involved in soil examination for over 50 years and was, in fact, at Cardiff. He says storing material in a pyramid shape is not an unusual practice. Subsequent investigation has determined that mistakes were made at the storage facility in Wales and despite the constant monitoring and information supplied on a regular basis to BSI the moisture content was far too high when it arrived at the Millennium Stadium.

 

As I say, new material will be used next year and the method in which it will be stored for future use has been changed significantly.

 

Out of interest do the fab stadium venues. like Cardiff actually attract non-speedway fans to the viewing audience and through the gates? As any research looked at this? Are there are any significant gains from using fab stadiums like Cardiff, other than the roofs?

[PHILIPRISING]

VERY much doubt that you would get 38,000/40,000 for British GP at any venue other than a fab stadium as you call them

[Grand Central]

Out of interest do the fab stadium venues. like Cardiff actually attract non-speedway fans to the viewing audience and through the gates? As any research looked at this? Are there are any significant gains from using fab stadiums like Cardiff, other than the roofs?

 

One of the most significant gains is that they have allowed the use of the word 'fab' in Speedway circles for the first time in decades.

Not since Garry Middleton bought a new suit in Carnaby Street back in 1967 has the sport had anything as fab and groovy.

[iris123]

Saw 15,507 announced as the attendance at Parken.Doesn't sound like a great crowd,but without looking don't know how it compares with previous years.I thought it was generally around 20,000?

[PHILIPRISING]

SWEDISH attendance on Saturday was almost non-existent. Hardly surprising probably in view of the current form of their SGP riders. Also there is a feeling (endorsed by me!) that Copenhagen is a massively expensive place to visit, eat and drink. One Danish fan from Jutland told us that it now costs around 100 euros in toll fees alone to travel to and from the Danish capital.

 

Have enjoyed SGP events at Parken, although the atmosphere there is very different to Cardiff. Not much at all after Pedersen and Iversen had dropped out of the reckoning, some fans left before the end and the Danish media hardly bothered with the Press Conference. Fans at Cardiff seem much more supportive of all the riders.

[Humphrey Appleby]

I thought it was generally around 20,000?

 

Depending on which figures you believe, I think it's been somewhat below that for the last few years - but always a round number so one wonders how many are really paying.

 

SWEDISH attendance on Saturday was almost non-existent. Hardly surprising probably in view of the current form of their SGP riders. Also there is a feeling (endorsed by me!) that Copenhagen is a massively expensive place to visit, eat and drink. One Danish fan from Jutland told us that it now costs around 100 euros in toll fees alone to travel to and from the Danish capital.

 

Last year the excuse was that the GP clashed with a Danish football match, now it's the toll fees.

 

Copenhagen has always been expensive (although not in comparison to Sweden), and the Great Belt Bridge has been charging tolls (actually EUR 66 return) ever since the Danish GP started. I don't think these can be the only reasons that crowds have plummeted.

Edited July 2, 2013 by Humphrey Appleby