Mixy230 Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Not a fan of Ward. But wow can he ride, that race ith his mate Holder was superb! Great passing, great speed, great balance. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Decent GP last night,good to see Gollob back to some kind of form,best rider won on the night though I feel for Zagar who couldve top the score charts had it not been for a shocking referee decision in his 1st ride. Hopefully Jonsson & Lindgrens injuries wont be as bad as first feared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Had* company so just been playing back through live pause, awww Ward looked so good what an even better series we could have had if not for injuries. *(never knew my size 12's could be so effective, they all gone now lol) i imagine your personality is quite effective at getting rid of house quests double quick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) Twaddle,your arguement is over as soon as you admit Zagars leading So all you need to be is a tyre width ahead and it's OK to go all the way out to the fence? Zagar's Exhaust clipped Emil's leg so he wasn't in front by much. Niamh Edited June 30, 2013 by Niamh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 It seems that Freddie have not broken his arm, it is torn off muscle injury and he have or will undergo surgery for it. So all you need to be is a tyre width ahead and it's OK to go all the way out to the fence? Zagar's Exhaust clipped Emil's leg so he wasn't in front by much. Niamh I agree with this, the rules do say that the one who caused the stoppage is to be excluded. Emil kept his line on the outside while Zagar moved all the way from a more inside line out to the fence ignoring that a rider was outside of him, which means that Zagar caused the stoppage. Imo I want to see racing woth passing, I don't want to see riders moving across the entire width of the track just to try and block someone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) .Good Eurosport coverage dispite the interval man getting a few minor things wrong ,better than the sky drivel in previous years. You have GOT to be having a laugh! The only part of Eurosport coverage different to SKY was the babbling imbicile who thought the GP was in Moldow and whose inane drivel could be used by the Intelligence Service to break the will of the taliban. A few minor things such as the actual place the GP was taking place in. TAlso the interview sections between races were barely audible which did not happen on SKY. Eurosport coverage was exactly the same as SKY minus the panel who generally had something interesting to say. On the subject of Emil/Matty I felt Matty should have been excluded but admit to bias. It was a tough one for the ref and being in front does not mean you can do whatever you want to the rider behind. Edited June 30, 2013 by pandorum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob tatum Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 IMO zagar was right to of been excluded. I want to see passing not riders attempting to turn right or left just to block an opponent like pedersen does. Just my opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 I was silent on this forum for months. Thank you for reminding me why. Damn, who let you back in through the front door. Feel free to remain silent again for a year.... or ten. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 A truly idiotic comment. If some people find your grossly over-promoted forms useful fine, but there is more to life you know. Maybe you should stop occasionally and think before you flood this forum with your incessant chattering? Sometimes (much) less is far more. I wouldn't have said anything about it out of basic respect but since you showed me none you get none in return. It was a pretty good meeting, all the better after I closed this window and left you to hijack the discussion as usual. I was silent on this forum for months. Thank you for reminding me why. Excuse me but Paul did not hijack anything. You are the one who filled this thread with your pettiness. Paul certainly does not over promote his very useful race cards he simply tells people where they are when they are needed. It does not hurt anyone with what he does so if you don't like it ignore it! Your own pompous blabblings about how qualified you were to comment on the idiot Eurosport commentator as opposed to the rest of us were truly pathetic. And the comment above in response to Paul mentioning the gate statistics even more so. Obviously you have issues with race cards and a superiority complex regarding using a microphone. Paul promotes his race cards and you were once famous commentating on 200-300 meetings, about half of which were transmitted on a station now part of Eurosport! I am amazed we have not heard of you Personally I too will make comments on anything I choose whether I am qualified or not. I have discussed the Moon landings but am not an astronaut and dislike Clegg and Cameron but have never been an MP. I also am critical of religion but have never met Jesus! People who get on their high horse because THEY have done something that someone chooses to comment on so see themselves better qualified than the great unwashed are too pathetic for words. Perhaps they have the experience but everybody is entitled to an opinion even if it's wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 IMO zagar was right to of been excluded. I want to see passing not riders attempting to turn right or left just to block an opponent like pedersen does. Just my opinion. While I agree with this in principle the decision last night says that its OK for riders to just keep going when there is no gap to pass. This is also a dangerous precedent for me. Emil should have shut off IMO, he had the chance and chose not to 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Zagar was unlucky IMO, he was in front and just using the racing line. Emil was also unfortunate, the margins are inches and split seconds and on another day he'd have squeezed through or not passed but stayed upright. One if those where, for me, nobody was really at fault and one where an 'all four back' rule which could be used at any point in a race would be useful. For that to work though you would need referees who will always make the tough decisions and not use any new rule as the easy option.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 imo, watching countless replays you can see that emil did roll it off a bit, everyone knows you cant just shut off a speedway bike it causes problems in itself if you do, i felt, again watching replays, zagar just lifted/twitched slightly to the right also he had a quick look to the right to see where emil was, i dont think he intentially wanted emil to crash but had shut the door too much. imo the right decision. good gp, not as good as bydgoszc but still some great racing especially from the young guns, shame about freddie and aj atb to both just a thought, if both miss the next gp which is possible, obviously we have the dross dryml back in but who is next reserve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) It seems that Freddie have not broken his arm, it is torn off muscle injury and he have or will undergo surgery for it. I agree with this, the rules do say that the one who caused the stoppage is to be excluded. Emil kept his line on the outside while Zagar moved all the way from a more inside line out to the fence ignoring that a rider was outside of him, which means that Zagar caused the stoppage. Imo I want to see racing woth passing, I don't want to see riders moving across the entire width of the track just to try and block someone. Where are your comments on the other 7 or 8 times the same thing happened in the meeting? Where are your comments when the same thing happens regularly in every other GP? The simple fact is, there was never going to be room for Emil there and as every other rider on the night did he should have backed off. Through his wreck less riding poor AJ is now injured. One must also assume those who feel Zagar was right to be excluded felt Emil should have been excluded for lifting and taking hancock's line. Your argument of wanting to see exciting racing makes no sense either. Did you not see holder And ward? Was holder just letting him by? No, he was blocking every move. Races would be damn boring if riders just let people pass them At will. They're exciting when riders have to change lines to make the pass As we saw ward doing, plus Zagar/Gollob in their race. Edited June 30, 2013 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 I think that the referee was in a no-win situation. Whichever way he went he would have been wrong in the opinion of some. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) Brilliant win for Darcy . I was doing some Nigel and Kelvin woahing big time last night He won me a little bit of cash too.. Definitely the best series yet! Edited June 30, 2013 by Jacques Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) Having now had the chance to watch the meeting, first of all i would like to pass my good wishes on a speedy recovery to Freddie Lindgre and Andreas Jonsson. I was gob smacked when Zagar was excluded for the incident with Saifudinov. Ref really got this wrong. Think it was a case of " we can't exclude the GP leader". Bad, bad call and Zagar was very hard done by. Glad he made it to the final as he desereved it. Now everyone can see the reason why Darcy is so highly rated. A shame he was injured because I am sure he would have been challenging for the World Crown this season. Easily the best rider on show last night. No wonder Matt wants him straight back in the Poole team and has had to chop out a brand new rider who has done nothing wrong at all. Darcy puts bums on seats, simple as that. You can guarentee an extra few people through the turnstiles at Brandon next Friday because he is riding. The Eurosport commentator needs to go. No knowledge and tries to blag it. While he would get away with it with newcomers to the sport, many fans are extremely knowledgeable and he comes accross as a no nothing. Either get someone in who does know the sport, or just go straight back to Kelvin and his mate. Good GP overall. Roll on the SWC. Edited June 30, 2013 by Steve Shovlar 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 .Good Eurosport coverage dispite the interval man getting a few minor things wrong ,better than the sky drivel in previous years. Er. The only bit that Eurosport do is the interval man, the rest is the world feed from BSI which comes complete with Kelvin and Nigel. The Eurosport commentator needs to go. No knowledge and tries to blag it. While he would get away with it with newcomers to the sport, many fans are extremely knowledgeable and he comes accross as a no nothing. Either get someone in who does know the sport, or just go straight back to Kelvin and his mate. Good GP overall. Roll on the SWC. Think that we've got the guy for the rest of the series and the SWC. He is well frustrating but is now becoming somewhat of a cult figure. Who is he? Where does he broadcast from? Is he on some kind of hallucinogenic substance? Is he really part of Eurosport or some hacker taking the pi$$? Is he BigFatDave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 the bloke is called Tony Carter and apparently he comes from a speedway background! As his dad and grandad both raced speedway and grass track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 OUT of interest ... opinion on the Zagar/Safutdinov incident at PARKEN was, pretty much as on this thread, split about 50/50. Had to chuckle privately when Zagar suggested that Craig Ackroyd should go to specsavers. Referees for the Australia/British Lions series are actually sponsored by specsavers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC! Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) the bloke is called Tony Carter and apparently he comes from a speedway background! As his dad and grandad both raced speedway and grass track! http://www.paddockch...ke-passion.html A quick Google search leads me to believe that he may not be Eurosport's most popular presenter. Edited June 30, 2013 by JC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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