PHILIPRISING Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 PERSONALLY find Copenhagen more expensive that Sweden ... certainly hotels, meals, drinks cost more than in Gothenburg and certainly Malilla (Holtsfred). My dinner on Friday which consisted of a very ordinary steak, a dessert and a glass of wine with service, etc, was around 320 kroner... about £40. ANd let's not talk about the bar bill ... four beers, two vodkas and tonics, over £100. Like the UK Humphrey, Danish people have less money in their pockets. Travelling to Copenhagen with fuel charges, etc (incidentally the Danes don't use euros), hotels has had an effect. Just possible that even Danish fans have tired of going to Copenhagen and that a change is needed. The crowd at Vojens last year was around 15,000 so a return there is an obvious alternative. The big problem is not the track, which can be very good - lots of riders love it - but the weather. And, as I said, noticeably how few Swedish fans were there on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 SWEDISH attendance on Saturday was almost non-existent. Hardly surprising probably in view of the current form of their SGP riders. Also there is a feeling (endorsed by me!) that Copenhagen is a massively expensive place to visit, eat and drink. One Danish fan from Jutland told us that it now costs around 100 euros in toll fees alone to travel to and from the Danish capital. Have enjoyed SGP events at Parken, although the atmosphere there is very different to Cardiff. Not much at all after Pedersen and Iversen had dropped out of the reckoning, some fans left before the end and the Danish media hardly bothered with the Press Conference. Fans at Cardiff seem much more supportive of all the riders. I think it more has to do with that it in general are quite tough times at the moment, a quite high unemployment and etc. I would liked to have gone but I couldn't afford both Copenhagen and Stockholm so I chosen Stockholm over Copenhagen and perhaps many other Swedes have done the same. In particular those who live in the same part of Sweden as I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) PERSONALLY find Copenhagen more expensive that Sweden ... certainly hotels, meals, drinks cost more than in Gothenburg and certainly Malilla (Holtsfred). Well yes, eating and drinking in a capital city is likely to cheaper than in the middle of nowhere (Malilla not Gothenburg). I'd agree that Sweden seems much cheaper than it used to be, but I'd have thought eating and drinking is still more expensive in Stockholm. incidentally the Danes don't use euros I know, but I believe you can pay with euros on the bridge and you originally quoted the price in euros... The crowd at Vojens last year was around 15,000 so a return there is an obvious alternative. Right, so it's for economic reasons rather than because Parken is need for the Eurovision Song Contest/football/One Man and His Dog Show. I knew we'd get there in the end... Edited July 2, 2013 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 PERSONALLY find Copenhagen more expensive that Sweden ... certainly hotels, meals, drinks cost more than in Gothenburg and certainly Malilla (Holtsfred). My dinner on Friday which consisted of a very ordinary steak, a dessert and a glass of wine with service, etc, was around 320 kroner... about £40. ANd let's not talk about the bar bill ... four beers, two vodkas and tonics, over £100. Like the UK Humphrey, Danish people have less money in their pockets. Travelling to Copenhagen with fuel charges, etc (incidentally the Danes don't use euros), hotels has had an effect. Just possible that even Danish fans have tired of going to Copenhagen and that a change is needed. The crowd at Vojens last year was around 15,000 so a return there is an obvious alternative. The big problem is not the track, which can be very good - lots of riders love it - but the weather. And, as I said, noticeably how few Swedish fans were there on Saturday. I would agree with you Phil.Like i said on the "Parken out" thread,for me Vojens is one of the best situated tracks.Very easy for me to get to,as long as there are no road works on the Autobahn(when isn't there?)which get blocked up by the bed change on a saturday.And as you say the Danes are very partisan,so even if for tv viewers the meeting seems boring,as long as a Dane is doing well then most people seem to enjoy it.I have often come away with a good feeling about a meeting and read that it was boring.But i have often come away soaked.Think it was the Denmark v Rest of the World where i gave up and left before it was finished and then nearly came a cropper on the motorway.I am happy if the GPs go back to Vojens,but for the sport i think it was better to have a great stadium in a big city Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Well he would say that! Niamh You stole my thunder Niamh. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Well yes, eating and drinking in a capital city is likely to cheaper than in the middle of nowhere (Malilla not Gothenburg). I'd agree that Sweden seems much cheaper than it used to be, but I'd have thought eating and drinking is still more expensive in Stockholm. I know, but I believe you can pay with euros on the bridge and you originally quoted the price in euros... Right, so it's for economic reasons rather than because Parken is need for the Eurovision Song Contest/football/One Man and His Dog Show. I knew we'd get there in the end... KEEP up Humphrey ... it isn't that Parken is needed for the Euro. In fact, they have turned down the chance to stage it even if Copenhagen's bid is successful. Stated that earlier. The fact is that without the support of Wonderful Copenhagen (Danish equivalent of Visit Wales) the cost of staging a SGP at Parken in front of around 20,000 fans isn't considered viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) Well Iris is Vojens really that good? The racing is awful, the weather is awful... Vojens is a small town in the southern end of the west coast of Denmark. I think Vojens is the kind of place where one wouldn't stay any minute longer then needed while cities like Stockholm and Copenhagen while more expensive, have allot more to offer. Especially Stockholm have allot to offer no matter if you like, partying, museums, architecture or lovely nature. This is why I never have been at Måilla, racing is good but it's too isolated with hardly anything of interest around. Vojens is even worse with the very mediocre track and racing. Edited July 2, 2013 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) Well Iris is Vojens really that good? The racing is awful, the weather is awful... Vojens is a small town in the southern end of the west coast of Denmark. Thought i had made my view fairly clear.I don't think it is good for the sport.Just very easy for me to get to.Alth for big meetings it is often a pain in the backside to get away from.....Personally prefer meetings on the 80cc track But i am obviously in a very small minority as hardly anyone turns up even with a pretty sure fire danish winner Edited July 2, 2013 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 NO one could argue that Copenhagen and Stockholm are nicer places to visit than Vojens and Malilla but we are talking speedway here, albeit at the top level, rather than say soccer. Sometimes you have to go where the fans are rather than try to attract them en masse to somewhere else. I think I have seen just about every World Championship event (World Finals, Pairs, Team Cups, GPs) at Vojens and during that time there have been some great meetings. Not, I confess, always. But the track is a nice shape, has different racing lines, and can be very good. The weather is always a factor, however, no matter which time of the year meetings are held there and that always has an influence on track preparation. Hopefully, if the SGP does return there next year the meeting will be blessed by decent weather. That hasn't always been the case in Malilla, either, but they benefit from being a full-time speedway club with a huge number of volunteers on hand and the track equipment to match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Saw 15,507 announced as the attendance at Parken.Doesn't sound like a great crowd,but without looking don't know how it compares with previous years.I thought it was generally around 20,000? They get around 15,000 at Vojens which I bet costs a fracton of the cost of Parken to run. Well Iris is Vojens really that good? The racing is awful, the weather is awful... Vojens is a small town in the southern end of the west coast of Denmark. I think Vojens is the kind of place where one wouldn't stay any minute longer then needed while cities like Stockholm and Copenhagen while more expensive, have allot more to offer. Especially Stockholm have allot to offer no matter if you like, partying, museums, architecture or lovely nature. This is why I never have been at Måilla, racing is good but it's too isolated with hardly anything of interest around. Vojens is even worse with the very mediocre track and racing. Doubt many people actually stay in Vojens, towns of Haderslev & Kolding are only 20-30 mins away and are decent. Been going to Vojens since 1999 and seen poor meetings & great meetings. Funny enough some of the better meetings have been when there has been plenty of rain during the day so the track produces some grip instead of being hard & slick. The facilities are not fantastic but ok and its a good atmosphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 The facilities are not fantastic but ok and its a good atmosphere. The facilities have improved over the past few years and if Ole gets his way will improve even further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 The facilities have improved over the past few years and if Ole gets his way will improve even further. Ole ALWAYS gets his way. :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuxtonTiger Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Agree, Copenhagen was expensive, but a great place to visit, Parken was excellent. An article in the "English" newspaper whilst we were there said that the Danish FA were looking for other venues for Denmark soccer internationals as they were paying Parken an average of DKK 150 (£18) per ticket to hire the venue!! If the capacity for speedway is 29000, I would have thought the crowd on Saturday was nearer 20000, the place did not appear half empty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Agree, Copenhagen was expensive, but a great place to visit, Parken was excellent. An article in the "English" newspaper whilst we were there said that the Danish FA were looking for other venues for Denmark soccer internationals as they were paying Parken an average of DKK 150 (£18) per ticket to hire the venue!! If the capacity for speedway is 29000, I would have thought the crowd on Saturday was nearer 20000, the place did not appear half empty. Don`t forget the top half of the 4th bend stand was not used and there was hardly anyone on the home straight upper stand-I was there and 16,000 seems about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Photo in this weeks SS of the start girls..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Photo in this weeks SS of the start girls..... Yes I couldn't help but notice that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Photo in this weeks SS of the start girls..... AND an explanation of how they were chosen ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 I am worried if it needs an explanation.Surely a picture is worth a thousand words? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 AND an explanation of how they were chosen ... How's that then, phone a local model agency and ask for 4 girls with big boobs . . . noticed (couldn't miss) they had the zips of their tops pulled further down than normal at Parken and of course their shorts are shorter this year, are they planning bikinis for next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 A POLL of readers with a local (albeit national) newspaper in Copenhagen ... most start line girls come from an agency in Slovenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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