Live Streams

[mrlincolncity]

Having just cancelled my sky sports subscription, can anyone tell me if I'm able to watch the elite league action online anywhere?

Cheers

[LagutaRacingFan]

Having just cancelled my sky sports subscription, can anyone tell me if I'm able to watch the elite league action online anywhere?

Cheers

Removed - rules are clear as you have been told before on god knows how many occassions and saying 'its illegal, remember and report them as illegal' does NOT make it acceptable

[SCB]

Having just cancelled my sky sports subscription, can anyone tell me if I'm able to watch the elite league action online anywhere?

Cheers

I've just cancelled my order of the latest Ferrari. I'm just going to steal the one some other silly bugger has paid for. Who's joining me?

[RonButler]

I've just cancelled my order of the latest Ferrari. I'm just going to steal the one some other silly bugger has paid for. Who's joining me?

 

Fer Arry I just knicked a moped. Now 'e won't 'ave it 'cos it's nicked. Any offers? Anfink con siddered.

[manchesterpaul]

Removed - rules are clear as you have been told before on god knows how many occassions and saying 'its illegal, remember and report them as illegal' does NOT make it acceptable

 

The viewer is not the one reproducing copy-written stuff so you're doing nothing illegal? However, i'm guessing that the key point for the BSF to consider is that if they allow links to be shown then they are actively enabling and engaging in the copyright to be broken? Clearly the streamers are sometimes pursued (only to pop up within the hour elsewhere) but rarely if ever is a single one of millions of viewers.

 

It's similar to where for many, many years whenever people recorded songs on to a cassette recorder or video'd a tv show they were technically breaking the law. Also, isn't it the case where prostitution is illegal but their 'clients' don't do anything illegal, or some sort of contradictory clash in that area exists.

 

There is currently no definitive answer to the question of whether watching LIVE streams is illegal. Depending on the site and file type, online streaming may create a full-length temporary copy of the movie on your computer. Alternatively, the program may delete the data as you watch.

 

Some courts have held that even temporary copies may violate the law. However, the Copyright Office contends there is no violation when "a reproduction manifests itself so fleetingly that it cannot be copied, perceived or communicated."

 

 

Incidentally it's important to discern the difference in You Tube links which are filmed by the uploader compared to those that are copies of tv broadcasts, the latter are a big no no. Again though there are millions of such clips on You Tube that are not removed because the copyright holder does not ask for them to be removed.

Edited June 10, 2013 by manchesterpaul

[G the Bee]

All very well and good. However, it depends whether the argument about whether people should feel comfortable watching live streams of EL speedway is a legal or moral one.

 

The fact remains that if everyone had the attitude of 'I'll cancel my subscription and watch the streams' then there would be no Sky Sports at all and no live sport on the tv other than terrestrial. And we all know how much coverage speedway gets on terrestrial tv!

 

In my opinion there is a difference (at least morally) between watching a stream of an event that is, to all intents and purposes, unavailable in this country (ie the Polish League on Sundays) and watching an event which is available to all and sundry providing they are prepared to pay for it (the Sky Sports, Eurosport and Premier Sports coverage).

 

As far as I'm concerned, those in the UK who watch Sky Elite League coverage on live streams (and GPs and Swedish Elitserien too) are freeloading off those that put their hands in their pockets and pay the subscriptions.

[manchesterpaul]

The fact remains that if everyone had the attitude of 'I'll cancel my subscription and watch the streams' then there would be no Sky Sports at all and no live sport on the tv other than terrestrial. And we all know how much coverage speedway gets on terrestrial tv!

 

On that particular point i do find it hard to believe that someone who has the money to be able to watch speedway (or any sport) on a very tv large screen, nowadays usually HD, and without any buffering or risk of viruses etc. would decide to choose an online stream and cancel their Sky subscription!

 

The way i see it is that those who can afford Sky will and do subscribe to it. Those who can't watch the online streams and technically are not depriving Sky of a single penny as they cant afford to join Sky.

 

Don't forget a Sky subscriber now has a great range of options for watching and recording. You can watch on up to two other devices computer, laptop etc in addition to your Sky box. Who would give all that up if they can afford it to watch a stream that could suddenly stop mid-meeting?

 

I personally don't know of any sports fan who being able to afford Sky has given it up in favour of watching internet streams and depriving Sky of money. Those who watch the streams will pretty much all not be able to subscribe to Sky, Sky are not out of pocket. Indeed once some of these who watch on the internet get some money they'll probably leap at the chance of joining Sky because they see what coverage is available.

[G the Bee]

You are practically making out that the streams are a type of 'Robin Hood' charity, taking from the rich and giving to the poor. Perhaps Sky should start a scheme like this themselves and cut out the middle men. "If you can't afford to buy our coverage, just let us know and we'll give you SkyGo for free! After all, we would never have had any money from you anyway?"

 

Perhaps next time I fancy a day by the seaside, and money is a bit tight that month, I should just hop on the Virgin train from Birmingham to Bournemouth for free. After all, the train was already going there and because I can't afford to buy a ticket, Mr. Branson would not have got any money off me anyway, so he hasn't really lost out.

 

Technically I'm not depriving Virgin of a single penny as I cant afford to travel by their train. Think I'll try that line on the ticket inspector if he asks for a ticket.

 

However, I suspect that many of those who don't pay for Sky Sports have simply chosen to spend their money elsewhere. How many 'streamers' will still enjoy their holiday in the sun this year or, perhaps, have the latest smartphone on a £30 a month contract? Obviously neither of us know, but I think you understand the point I am making.

Edited June 10, 2013 by G the Bee

[Baldy]

You are practically making out that the streams are a type of 'Robin Hood' charity, taking from the rich and giving to the poor. Perhaps Sky should start a scheme like this themselves and cut out the middle men. "If you can't afford to buy our coverage, just let us know and we'll give you SkyGo for free! After all, we would never have had any money from you anyway?"

 

Perhaps next time I fancy a day by the seaside, and money is a bit tight that month, I should just hop on the Virgin train from Birmingham to Bournemouth for free. After all, the train was already going there and because I can't afford to buy a ticket, Mr. Branson would not have got any money off me anyway, so he hasn't really lost out.

 

Technically I'm not depriving Virgin of a single penny as I cant afford to travel by their train. Think I'll try that line on the ticket inspector if he asks for a ticket.

 

However, I suspect that many of those who don't pay for Sky Sports have simply chosen to spend their money elsewhere. How many 'streamers' will still enjoy their holiday in the sun this year or, perhaps, have the latest smartphone on a £30 a month contract? Obviously neither of us know, but I think you understand the point I am making.

Well said G the Bee; I cannot believe the sort of garbage that some spout to "justify" their watching of something that they know they are not entitled to watch. Get your money out and pay for it or go without. Cue the type of people who appear on "Skint" to appear. We all have a choice on where to spend our money, make your choice and live with it.

[Backless]

 

 

The way i see it is that those who can afford Sky will and do subscribe to it. Those who can't watch the online streams and technically are not depriving Sky of a single penny as they cant afford to join Sky.

 

 

I'll try that argument at the next meeting I attend.

 

"I can't afford the admission so I'll come in and watch for free".

 

Bearing in mind that otherwise I wouldn't attend, the club won't be out of pocket, in fact if I scrape together the cash for a burger, they'll sell one more than they would do otherwise - so, everyone's a winner!

 

It's a winning formula: it'll be sure to work at cinemas, theatres, concert venues.

 

Come to think of it, supermarkets spend a fortune each year in the disposal of perishable foodstuffs. Think how much they'd save if I voluntarily removed some shortly ahead of expiry!

 

Tesco here I come!

Edited June 11, 2013 by Backless

[michaelcroucher]

If companies want to stream or individuals then why not. I pay for my speedway but not with sky.

 

I have Polish, Swedish, Czech and all the GP etc. If I wanted to set up a Live stream then I can.

 

In the summer I have an outside cinema and when the weather is nice I can stream the live match let’s say Polish match on a Sunday and watch it outside. If I put this onto a website then people would be able to watch it.

 

It not about people being tight and not paying for Sky its about what people want.

 

You can say im lucky with what I have which I think I am but if I didn’t have the money then I would ask the same question. I don’t get Elite League speedway but I don’t miss it.

 

I use to get sky but cancelled my contract as I get the above speedway for £16 per month.

[racers and royals]

I am very much in the g the bee camp-I feel we should support the companies that have paid out to buy the rights-hence i have Sky and Premier sports packages.However as far as football goes i suppose i`m a bit of a Hypocrite as i wouldn`t fork out for ESPN and watched their matches plus Reading`s away matches live on streams.

[Cj69]

Im one of those that watch live streams and I could afford Sky (did so for 3 years) at a push but why bother when some streams are pretty good and can put them on my TV.

I will continue to do so no matter how high some peoples horse is.

[Grand Central]

I do find discussions on this matter fascinating.

 

The justifications for people to carry out this sort of activity become as convoluted as they are disingenuous.

 

The 'copyright-monitors' on the other hand seem so easily goaded into pointing out the perpetrators lack of morality with their amusing comparisons of thieving.

 

In reality the Internet age has created huge areas of moral ambiguity for many people who always thought themselves to be 'law abiding citizens'.

 

It will, for many years, be discussed in many courts in cases involving subjects far more important and challenging than Speedway TV rights..

Edited June 11, 2013 by Grand Central

[waiheke1]

anyone know of any sites where i can pay to watch elite league speedway from new Zealand ? or in fact the gps or wtc? or is my only option free streams which are potentially breaching ownership rights?

 

Mod Note: BSF stance is very clear - we do NOT allow 'free stream' links to be posted. Unlikely as it is, it could possibly land BSF's owner in trouble and that is not a risk it is fair to take. Thanks

[manchesterpaul]

You are practically making out that the streams are a type of 'Robin Hood' charity, taking from the rich and giving to the poor......

 

Ummmmm no i'm not. I was stating how i perceive things to be and made absolutely no judgement on whether those who watch the streams are in the moral right or wrong. I just pointed out that as they would never be able to subscribe to Sky, they are not withdrawing money from Sky by choosing to watch the streams,

 

I'll try that argument at the next meeting I attend.

 

"I can't afford the admission so I'll come in and watch for free".

 

That wasn't my argument.

[AndyJ]

anyone know of any sites where i can pay to watch elite league speedway from new Zealand ? or in fact the gps or wtc? or is my only option free streams which are potentially breaching ownership rights?

Not sure if there are any geographical limitations enforced but the excellent Eurosport Player (http://www.eurosportplayer.co.uk/subscription.shtml) for £2.99 a month (if you subscribe for 12mths) will give you access to the GP coverage. Not sure if WTC is also on Eurosport too...?

 

As for the EL, I suspect that the only streaming you're likely to acquire would be 'pikey' versions of the Sky Sports coverage. Doubtful that EL promoters would see much value in selling streamed coverage.

[Wackie]

SWC will be shown on Eurosport - wish I'd have looked into the Eurosport player before re-instating my Sky subscription in April. Still they kept begging us to come back and at 50% off for 12 months I guess the deal's not too bad.

 

Won't pay for a Sky Sports package though - can afford to, but for EL meetings only, and the odd F1 race that isn't live on the Beeb I don't consider this value for money, so make do with the 'Pikey' versions instead..... when I can be bothered.

[waiheke1]

anyone know of any sites where i can pay to watch elite league speedway from new Zealand ? or in fact the gps or wtc? or is my only option free streams which are potentially breaching ownership rights?

 

Mod Note: BSF stance is very clear - we do NOT allow 'free stream' links to be posted. Unlikely as it is, it could possibly land BSF's owner in trouble and that is not a risk it is fair to take. Thanks

mod - perfectly understood. that is why i was asking if anyone could advise me of PAY streams that could accessed from my location. otherwise my only option is to not watch, or to watch freestreams (i did not request link for free streams). certainly do not want to in any way jeopordise your site.

[mrlincolncity]

Bloody ell! Didnt think id cause all this fuss. As it happens, believe it or not, about 2 hours after the wife cancelled sky sports, i persuaded her to ring them back at switch it back on! Good job really cos id av missed tonights live meeting........ If they had kept the lynn match on as originally planned i would anyway. So calm down people! Im not stealing it after all. Although i might do if this rubbish weather carries on )