Arson fire Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Don't think Kennett has turned a wheel in Poland yet since he was signed Gotta feel for Redcar... Flying high in the league but mainly because of rolling averages, they're not in the top 8 of the PL? Surely if they were to take Dyer's 2013 average instead of RA, then they'd be a shoe-in if the present unfair system of selection was to remain... i agree, same as newcastle wernt in top ten for the pairs..... It's daft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 i agree, same as newcastle wernt in top ten for the pairs..... It's daft Surely its time for an overhaul of these once great but now sadly ailing competitions... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luluthetiger Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Every year, every competition, we have complaints over who's in, who ain't. Re the Fours this year: 1) Berwick would have sailed in, even with Ashworth instead of Kennett. 2) I think it is a time thing, not number of matches, that includes Kennett but excludes Bech. -- Eddie was in Berwick 1-7 in early May, but MBJ didn't arrive at Plymouth until June. Or maybe it is because of assessed averaging. But there has to be a definer someplace, and this year's groups look pretty tasty. 3) Qualifiers: the northern clubs love them, the southern ones won't touch them with a bargepole! Traditionally, the north had huge attendances, but down south -- with some clubs in the same group potentially 200 miles apart -- there was little travelling support and unprofitable attendances, even in the good times. Every attempt by the northern group of clubs to have qualifiers reinstated has for years been voted down by the southern bloc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Don't think Kennett has turned a wheel in Poland yet since he was signed Gotta feel for Redcar... Flying high in the league but mainly because of rolling averages, they're not in the top 8 of the PL? Surely if they were to take Dyer's 2013 average instead of RA, then they'd be a shoe-in if the present unfair system of selection was to remain... Other than having qualifiers why not just pick the top 8 teams in the Premier League as at 31.05.13. and then let each team manager pick his 4 riders from any of his current squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) Other than having qualifiers why not just pick the top 8 teams in the Premier League as at 31.05.13. and then let each team manager pick his 4 riders from any of his current squad. because teams could have ridden double the fixtures of others. Edited June 19, 2013 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 In which case, why not have all the teams at Peterborough on Finals day and devise a system that enables every team to qualify on the track... I don't get this North/South split rubbish... Yes, the North have always wanted them reinstated but I don't accept the "it's too much distance" to make it profitable... Glasgow to Newcastle is 150mls one way and it's still well attended by both sets of supporters. The North always works because the promoters work together to make it work... The South see it as an unwanted obstacle that if it were promoted and organised better, could be a crowd puller for each track... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Its always got to be a joke system when the Witches , winners 2 years ago didn't have a high enough combined average to defend it last year ! Qualifying is the only way to go with this , the pairs and any competition that requires that you have to have high averaged riders to compete ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I don't get this North/South split rubbish... Yes, the North have always wanted them reinstated but I don't accept the "it's too much distance" to make it profitable... Glasgow to Newcastle is 150mls one way and it's still well attended by both sets of supporters. The North always works because the promoters work together to make it work... The South see it as an unwanted obstacle that if it were promoted and organised better, could be a crowd puller for each track... Who are "the south"? The last time the PL 4TT had qualifers was 1999, the "south" then was Newport, Exeter, IoW, Readnig and Area Essex. None of them are in the Pl any more. The South these days would be Plymouth, Somerset, Ipswich, rye House and (possibly) Leciester. Which thinking baout it now, is not all that close together and probably not going to draw my local rival, even Somerset to Plymouth is a fair old drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hewitt Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Its that time of years again, when the numpty's decide on who qualifies for the fours. A team that stands 3rd in the league and has qualified ON THE TRACK for the KO Cup semi's can't get in, yet another near the foot of the table qualifies. This team thrashed both home and away by the aforementioned 3rd placed team. I know this comes up every year, but bring back the qualifiers, its then all fair and square and everyone knows where they stand. You never know there could be some shocks. If it is marketed like the T20s in cricket could even be a commercial success. Rant over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Have to agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRITISHSPEEDPOWER Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 The old qualifiers were a highlight of the season in the north. Full stadiums and hard racing. But Berwick,Edinburgh,Newcastle,Glasgow are all geographically close. It's a long way from Ipswich to Somerset. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 It is very simple for qualification!!!!!!!! Who wants to play???????? Several teams deem this as a fiasco tournament, which it actually is. Until the format change they dont want to play and why should they. BSPA are not doing any favours to any team or the sport. Until the promoters start to listen to the fans its down hill. Watch this space as several teams will be on the brink before the season ends. Mr.Secsy1 has found a wicked way to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolypolygoly Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 After watching Redcar V Berwick last night, it highlighted the problem of using rolling averages to choose which teams qualify for certain events, for without their hired 10 point + rider, who incidentely rode superbly, Berwick would not qualify for a national league competition, come on promoters surely a much better way of selecting teams can be found, to satisfy Supporters, and not your personal interests, for without fans there would be no competitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 After watching Redcar V Berwick last night, it highlighted the problem of using rolling averages to choose which teams qualify for certain events, for without their hired 10 point + rider, who incidentely rode superbly, Berwick would not qualify for a national league competition, come on promoters surely a much better way of selecting teams can be found, to satisfy Supporters, and not your personal interests, for without fans there would be no competitions. If Ashworth had been fit we would have still qualified but agree there has to be a better way of selecting finalists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Its that time of years again, when the numpty's decide on who qualifies for the fours. A team that stands 3rd in the league and has qualified ON THE TRACK for the KO Cup semi's can't get in, yet another near the foot of the table qualifies. This team thrashed both home and away by the aforementioned 3rd placed team. I know this comes up every year, but bring back the qualifiers, its then all fair and square and everyone knows where they stand. You never know there could be some shocks. If it is marketed like the T20s in cricket could even be a commercial success. Rant over. How is what a team is doing in the league, trophy and koc relevant to the 4tt though? I agree, Redcar should be there, what they should be using is this season averages. You can't have 2012 meetings being used as the qualifying criteria for the 2013 4tt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bri1966 Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 Looks like The Redcar Bear will get it as Simon Stead broke his leg practising at Kings Lynn last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 Looks like The Redcar Bear will get it as Simon Stead broke his leg practising at Kings Lynn last night wouldnt Scunny slot back in first with Jorgensen back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Scunthorpe back in fours All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 (edited) Out of interest if Cook, Barker and/or Worrall are selected to ride for GB at Lynn the day after will they available for the Fours? EDIT Doyle riding for Aus too on the Saturday night apparently........ Edited June 29, 2013 by Bagpuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Now that Craig Cook and Edward Kennett have been selected for Team GB in the SWC,will they be allowed to ride in this event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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