cyclone Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 i don't need to support my claim?? And I certainly don't and won't ask a 3rd party to justify what I'm saying I saw for a poxy forum... I replied to young51 that I stood corrected...but stand by what I saw. Obviously sparky photos show a definite gap, so maybe steves photos which were taken from roughly head on are deceptive and certainly don't show the gap that sparkys do.... So that's why I was emphatic. Haven't seen the video yet. So you to refer a 3rd party's (steve brock) pics and claim the "pics show cook basically touching Bellego...", but when asked to let the rest of us see this evidence, you go all coy, mmm the phrase "put up, or shut up", springs to mind Would imagine there will be a few Newcastle fans who will wish to buy a copy of the Fours dvd, given the Diamonds were involved. Why not cough up for a copy for yourself - I can guarantee it has a happy ending :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Looking at Simon photos it does look as though Cookie did not touch Bellego and looks as though Bellego has drifted out wide an hit Tungate. Would be interesting to see Steve Brocks photo's as well to get another look. But on the evidence that I have seen up to now I think that the referee got the call right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 So you to refer a 3rd party's (steve brock) pics and claim the "pics show cook basically touching Bellego...", but when asked to let the rest of us see this evidence, you go all coy, mmm the phrase "put up, or shut up", springs to mind Would imagine there will be a few Newcastle fans who will wish to buy a copy of the Fours dvd, given the Diamonds were involved. Why not cough up for a copy for yourself - I can guarantee it has a happy ending :P dont go all coy at all, they are his photos, not mine and (i shouldnt have even mentioned his name) certainly show cook closer than sparkys do, maybe it's because it's a different angle I don't know in not a photographer...and young51 is sending me a copy of the vid..... So I will have to 'shut up' I suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Its a sequence orf 14 shots that shows Cook and Bellego entering the turn. Cook gets closer then Bellego drifts wider and catches the back wheel of Tungate and carnage ensues. Meanwhile Cook rides round the white line. I can only view the first photo (perhaps becuase I am not on Facebook?) so didnt realise it was a sequence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky from Sheffield Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 dont go all coy at all, they are his photos, not mine and (i shouldnt have even mentioned his name) certainly show cook closer than sparkys do, maybe it's because it's a different angle I don't know in not a photographer...and young51 is sending me a copy of the vid..... So I will have to 'shut up' I suppose Yeah Steve was on the outside of the track (you can actually see him in photo 14 of my sequence. There is no way you could see the distance between them from that angle as the perspective is all wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 With all due respect..total garbage!!I'll back up what i said in my post & send you a copy of the meeting.. if you're interested in the truth that is.. This could cost you a lot of money then, if you are going to buy every doubting fan a copy of the meeting, as I'm sure Steve at Rerun Productions would have something to say about you copying his dvd's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 the photos, although interesting, are pretty inconclusive to be honest. If you look at the background you will note there is a fair gap between the early stage ones (different sections of the crowd). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 the photos, although interesting, are pretty inconclusive to be honest. If you look at the background you will note there is a fair gap between the early stage ones (different sections of the crowd). The video coverage on the dvd is continuous and from different angles and confirms Sparky's sequence are a true reflection of what actually happened, not what some perceived from their less direct viewing locations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 It may well do cyclone but as I thought I stated, I was talking about the photos some were referring to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 It may well do cyclone but as I thought I stated, I was talking about the photos some were referring to Re the pics, referring to a distant background can be misleading when panning, as the objects nearest the lens will not have moved as far on as those further away. when filming a rapid sequence from the inside of the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 I can only view the first photo (perhaps becuase I am not on Facebook?) so didnt realise it was a sequence. Did you see the small blue writing 'previous & next' top right of the photo? If you can see the first photo you should be able to see the sequence I should think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Did you see the small blue writing 'previous & next' top right of the photo? If you can see the first photo you should be able to see the sequence I should think. not available to me! Any part I tap directs me to log in or join Facebook to view. Thanks for trying though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 I can only view the first photo (perhaps becuase I am not on Facebook?) so didnt realise it was a sequence. Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young51 Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) Why? Why should Pete Simmons buy a copy?! To see with his own eyes that he was patently talking mince on both twitter & in the speedway star(and not for the first time either it must be said ) in blaming Craig Cook for the crash.It takes a big man to admit he's made an arse of himself,because with the subsequent comments he's made,he just comes over as an ungracious bad loser tbh.. Edited July 21, 2013 by Young51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 not available to me! Any part I tap directs me to log in or join Facebook to view. Thanks for trying though. Okay fair enough. Facebook isn't so bad if you ignore all the rubbish though. There are some good speedway groups on there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 OK , if the facts prove there was no contact I will take back what I said to a point . Cook was still going into the bend at a great rate of knots and in Bellegos defence if I was him I would probably have been unsettled and would have taken evasive action for the fear I was going to get clobbered ! As I said in my original post everyone around me agreed that it seemed to be Cooks fault so my conclusion is that it still is because of the move he made . How many times in speedway have we seen crashes when riders have been unsettled by the rash moves of others ? Contact is not necessarily required to be the cause of a stoppage . On this occasion I did at the time believe there was contact and please feel free Young51 to send me the proof . ( pm me for my details ) This meeting turned out to be one of the longest 5 1/2 hrs of my life on a hot day and I've absolutely no intention of paying out my hard earned cash for the privilege of watching that horrific crash again or to be proved wrong by it . I await you're response with the view that its possible I may change my mind . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 OK , if the facts prove there was no contact I will take back what I said to a point . Cook was still going into the bend at a great rate of knots and in Bellegos defence if I was him I would probably have been unsettled and would have taken evasive action for the fear I was going to get clobbered ! As I said in my original post everyone around me agreed that it seemed to be Cooks fault so my conclusion is that it still is because of the move he made . How many times in speedway have we seen crashes when riders have been unsettled by the rash moves of others ? Contact is not necessarily required to be the cause of a stoppage . On this occasion I did at the time believe there was contact and please feel free Young51 to send me the proof . ( pm me for my details ) This meeting turned out to be one of the longest 5 1/2 hrs of my life on a hot day and I've absolutely no intention of paying out my hard earned cash for the privilege of watching that horrific crash again or to be proved wrong by it . I await you're response with the view that its possible I may change my mind . If you're on Facebook, look at Simon Parker's 14 shot sequence from the optimum position, inside of the track, which was referred to earlier in this thread. Why should you expect someone else to provide you with a dvd of the 4s - buy a copy as your own team were involved ! Either there is abject poverty down Suffolk way or they're just a miserly lot BTW Cook never moves off the unoccupied inside line, and going in fast is what the best riders do, or are there now speed limits in force 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 If you're on Facebook, look at Simon Parker's 14 shot sequence from the optimum position, inside of the track, which was referred to earlier in this thread. Why should you expect someone else to provide you with a dvd of the 4s - buy a copy as your own team were involved ! Either there is abject poverty down Suffolk way or they're just a miserly lot BTW Cook never moves off the unoccupied inside line, and going in fast is what the best riders do, or are there now speed limits in force Not on Facebook and no interest in being on it . Why would I spend good money on a DVD when I my team didn't win because of somebody else's actions ? Young51 offered to provide me with proof so im just taking him up on that offer . And hey , no speed limits just safe riding would be fair to expect . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 As I said in my original post everyone around me agreed that it seemed to be Cooks fault so my conclusion is that it still is because of the move he made . How many times in speedway have we seen crashes when riders have been unsettled by the rash moves of others ? Contact is not necessarily required to be the cause of a stoppage . I thought it was Cook's fault on the basis that there was contact (my view on the day wasn't a good one). If there was none, the rider who caused the accident was Bellego because he lost control of his own accord. I really don't see how a rider can be adjudged to be the cause of a crash if he makes a clean pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Is this debate still going,at the time I thought the incident between Tungate,Bellego and Cook was just racing,an incident that happens when three riders are going for roughly the same part of the track,and I can understand why the referee excluded Bellego as being the prime cause of the stoppage. Interesting to note that both Bellego and Tungate have tweeted Cook say in their opinion it was just that,a racing incident. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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