diamond_ren Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Echo all the comments above the meeting took forever thank god it was a warm day..... I like many left before the end first time ive done that just was truly that sick. The referee was useless lost count the amount of times she pulled races back. Track staff struggled to see the red lights with the sun resulting in races being halfway round the first lap as well as numerous incidents. To be fair to David Hoggart Peterborough is probably the best place for the fours, normally gets a good turnout just unfortunately on sunday everything went wrong. One last thing is there any pics from sunday does anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Echo all the comments above the meeting took forever thank god it was a warm day..... I like many left before the end first time ive done that just was truly that sick. The referee was useless lost count the amount of times she pulled races back. Track staff struggled to see the red lights with the sun resulting in races being halfway round the first lap as well as numerous incidents. To be fair to David Hoggart Peterborough is probably the best place for the fours, normally gets a good turnout just unfortunately on sunday everything went wrong. One last thing is there any pics from sunday does anyone know? steve Brock has loads, we were looking at them on the bus on the journey home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ren Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 steve Brock has loads, we were looking at them on the bus on the journey home. Yeah I was on his website before but nothing on, but thanks for the reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 dvd available then? Re-run filmed it add in programme apparently it's longer than the entire Grand Prix series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyOfBrum Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 dvd available then? Yes, from ReRun. I filmed two hours worth. Add to that all the interviews and it should work out at quite a hefty production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young51 Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) But Cook didn't make contact (I think) and he didn't lose control. It's not an excludable fence to pass someone. Cook left Bellego with room to race. I'm glad that Babs Horley is a ref, rather than a few on here. Otherwise overtaking would be banned. All the best Rob Agreed Rob a total racing incident..I had a perfect view of it looking right across from the 1st corner by the way.Cookie did nothing wrong whatsoever, and yet it didnt stop some Ipswich fans in particular from saying 'disgusting & dirty riding' from him.If i thought he had done anything naughty i would say so..some people are just bad losers i guess going from some of the twaddle posted on twitter etc For once..and i never thought i'd say this Mistress Babs got it spot on As for all the moans & gripes about the running of the event,delays etc (what are you moaning about anyway.. you got a tan didnt ya! ),i thought the Peterborough track staff and all who helped did a really good job under very trying circumstances.I'm glad to report that all the riders involved in the crashes got out relatively unscathed The arguments about the tyres only came from certain parties (Chris Louis being one i believe?) and that is outwith the organisers control unfortunately.All in all it was a marathon of a day to say the least, and the delays sucked,but even though i had to walk miles in the blazing sun to get back for a peterboro bus i wouldnt have missed it for the world!I was so proud of the boys in Blue & Gold and we fully deserved our victory. Craig Cook pulled off a couple of sensational wins that took the breath away but every Edinburgh Monarchs rider fully contributed with vital points.Claus Vissing must have been the coolest dude in the place when he dropped the clutch in Heat 12 to bring the trophy back to Embra!It was great to see a large Monarchs support in our traditional spot,and was also nice to bump in to young Shadders & Squall and have a natter.Good idea on the bevvy front Shads by the way All i can say is bring on Peterboro Premier league Fours 2014!Cheers Edited July 19, 2013 by Young51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyH Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Hoping for an uncut dvd... Not an edited one. It will have to be a boxed series!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Stewart Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I've got the DVD now and had a good look at the big pileup, which in any case I had seen from right above it. Craig Cook came in hard on the inside and was ahead of Bellego as they reached the turn. David didn't realise he was there and turned inwards, then saw Cook and swerved out again, into Tungate's back wheel. There was definitely no contact, an unlucky incident but a correct decision. Even if there had been contact, it would have been because David turned from mid-track towards the inside without realising that part of the track was occupied. I wonder if Pete Simmons will buy a DVD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Would the most simple way of letting trackstaff know the race has been stopped to have the 2 minute wiring siren triggered by the red liight button , nobody would notice the red light come on when the riders are put on 2 minutes the 10 times or so during a meeting.Also why not make all tracks have redlights whicb pulse on/off i think that could also make them easier to spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 It must be handy getting the leftovers once you've finished your shelf-stacking duties . The Red lights don't have to be changed, - there just needs to be a procedure in place to aid the track staff when it's a daytime meeting. Many moons ago, the then announcer at Mildenhall (Terry Rippo) used to call out over the PA: "The Red Lights Are On" to assist track staff who might not see the lights in the glare. A simple, but effective aid. A larger 'cap' for the light (like on traffic lights) and/or might be helpful too. There's no reason why the announcer shouldn't be able to tell the crowd what's going on. No reason at all. Lengthy periods of silence are inexcusable when there are so many riders, etc. available to interview - and probably a few notable visitors that would also be worth having a chat with. As to the red lights, its the first time I have come across someone saying they are inadequate in day time meetings, and that's bearing in mind I have been about 50 times to Mildenhall. I absolutely agree about the announcer, though - they do it at Stoke. The problem with telling people about a dispute over tyres - which I believe was between riders and the BSPA - is that it sounds a bit like washing dirty linen in public. I think there are certain times when it is better that reasons are not given (even allowing for the effect on spectators) and this was one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky from Sheffield Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 But Cook didn't make contact (I think) and he didn't lose control. It's not an excludable fence to pass someone. Cook left Bellego with room to race. I'm glad that Babs Horley is a ref, rather than a few on here. Otherwise overtaking would be banned. All the best Rob Hi Lucifer Sam. I was one of the photographers there, and was on the inside of turn one when that incident happened. I have a sequence of photos from the point the riders came into the bend to the point when David hit the fence. There was NO contact at any point and the nearest they came together was about 12 inches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young51 Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) I've just watched the DVD of last Sundays meeting,and as I said at the time there was NO contact between Cookie and the unfortunate David Bellego whatsoever.The crap directed towards Babs Horley was totally misplaced as well,as she got it spot on (now there's a first for me defending her ) Bellego went in to the corner 'too hot' and collected the equally unfortunate Rohan Tungate's back wheel.it was a big race,he's a brave rider & you have to go for it.I can only hope his recovery is swift. Any news on his progress from our Borders cousins btw?However.. the abuse directed towards Cookie that ensued on the day at Peterborough and consequently on Facebook & twitter (and some here on the BSF) from mostly Ipswich fans it must be said, was totally uncalled for and out of order.. I would gladly send a copy of the DVD to anyone still doubting what really happened just to set the record straight.For some that still wouldn't be enough but there ya go some people are just bad losers.. Watching it again there was some fantastic racing in very trying conditions,but so many happy memories that will always stay with me Get in there the Monarchs Well I spoke to fans from Rye , Somerset , Leicester and Workington , everyone agreed it was Cook who caused the crash and he got off Scott free ! Of course Edinburgh fans will disagree but you only see what you want to , its simple , he didn't like being passed and went into 1st bend too hot and created the domino effect . It's just a shame that a certain referee didn't see it , well she couldn't have could she ? At least one mare of a decision per meeting is her average so why should this have been any different . Bless her , she was probably having her afternoon nap at the time ! With all due respect..total garbage!!I'll back up what i said in my post & send you a copy of the meeting.. if you're interested in the truth that is.. Travesty, no way should cookie have been in that re-run. I refer the right honourable gentleman to the reply i gave some moments ago Yes he should have been in the rerun as he did nowt wrong..you must've been watching a different meeting Mr Fire Edited July 20, 2013 by Young51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 I've just watched the DVD of last Sundays meeting,and as I said at the time there was NO contact between Cookie and the unfortunate David Bellego whatsoever.The crap directed towards Babs Horley was totally misplaced as well,as she got it spot on (now there's a first for me defending her ) Bellego went in to the corner 'too hot' and collected the equally unfortunate Rohan Tungate's back wheel.it was a big race,he's a brave rider & you have to go for it.I can only hope his recovery is swift. Any news on his progress from our Borders cousins btw?However.. the abuse directed towards Cookie that ensued on the day at Peterborough and consequently on Facebook & twitter (and some here on the BSF) from mostly Ipswich fans it must be said, was totally uncalled for and out of order.. I would gladly send a copy of the DVD to anyone still doubting what really happened just to set the record straight.For some that still wouldn't be enough but there ya go some people are just bad losers.. Watching it again there was some fantastic racing in very trying conditions,but so many happy memories that will always stay with me Get in there the Monarchs With all due respect..total garbage!!I'll back up what i said in my post & send you a copy of the meeting.. if you're interested in the truth that is.. I refer the right honourable gentleman to the reply i gave some moments ago Yes he should have been in the rerun as he did nowt wrong..you must've been watching a different meeting Mr Fire not really, stand corrected if that's the case, but from the second bend it looked like cook had steamed under Bellego and shunted him off, not one person stood where I was said otherwise, I also viewed Brockys photos on the way home and the pics show cook basically touching Bellego... Nowhere near a 12" gap.... Can you send me a vid please?? Owt for Nowt and all that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P T Preece Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Can someone explain why the starting gate was only fitted up at 2.10pm and not tried or tested before the racing started, this may have solved the problem we had in race one of the 2nd semi. Which started the delays, and also why when you have a major meeting like the fours cant you have more then one paramedic present, one off the track looking after the poor blokes who fall off and the the other in the middle so the meeting can carry on. Surley this would make the sport more professional and exciting as the action would keep coming, I do realise that at times it may need both paramedics to look after the racers as its not always one rider who falls off. Ive noticed a couple of times on skytv meeting that its been annouced that riders who have fallen were being looked after in the medical area, but the racing continues, do they have two paramedics for the sky matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenGauntlet Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Can someone explain why the starting gate was only fitted up at 2.10pm and not tried or tested before the racing started, this may have solved the problem we had in race one of the 2nd semi. They always leave it that late at Peterborough. The first time I saw speedway there it seemed a bizarrely risky thing to leave it so late, and it has every time since. I guess it may be to allow the tractor drivers to do their thing without having the start gate in the way, but they seem to manage with it there once the racing's started. After the meeting a few weeks ago when there was a long delay due to electrical problems with the gate and lights right at the start I would have thought they might have learned a lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky from Sheffield Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201577187095799&set=a.10201577185335755.1073741838.1361450798&type=1&theater there you go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201577187095799&set=a.10201577185335755.1073741838.1361450798&type=1&theater there you go! Let me start by saying I wasnt there and havent seen the incident. However that picture proves nothing. At that point Cook is behind and it would seem there is no room to pass without contact. Still inconclusive on that evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky from Sheffield Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Its a sequence of 14 shots that shows Cook and Bellego entering the turn. Cook gets closer then Bellego drifts wider and catches the back wheel of Tungate and carnage ensues. Meanwhile Cook rides round the white line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) not really, stand corrected if that's the case, but from the second bend it looked like cook had steamed under Bellego and shunted him off, not one person stood where I was said otherwise, I also viewed Brockys photos on the way home and the pics show cook basically touching Bellego... Nowhere near a 12" gap.... Can you send me a vid please?? Owt for Nowt and all that Having viewed the Re-Run dvd of ht 11 of the Final, which provides multi-angle views of the incident, there is no contact - fact ! This is confirmed by the 14 shot sequence kindly made publicly available by Simon Parker on Facebook. You use the phrase that Steve Brock's "pics show cook basically touching Bellego..." - what exactly do you mean by basically ? - is there a pic actually showing contact. As Simon Parker has made his photographic evidence available for all to see, why do you not ask Mr Brock to do likewise. Depending on where you are spectating, you are likely to obtain a different perspective of events, some of which can mislead to inaccurate conclusions. It would appear that Simon Parker was in the optimum position to record the incident, and this is supported by the video evidence of the meeting dvd. As you were emphatic in your original accusation that Cook was the culprit, I look forward to you arranging for Steve Brock's pics to be made publicly available to support your claim. Edited July 20, 2013 by cyclone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) Having viewed the Re-Run dvd of ht 11 of the Final, which provides multi-angle views of the incident, there is no contact - fact ! This is confirmed by the 14 shot sequence kindly made publicly available by Simon Parker on Facebook. You use the phrase that Steve Brock's "pics show cook basically touching Bellego..." - what exactly do you mean by basically ? - is there a pic actually showing contact. As Simon Parker has made his photographic evidence available for all to see, why do you not ask Mr Brock to do likewise. Depending on where you are spectating, you are likely to obtain a different perspective of events, some of which can mislead to inaccurate conclusions. It would appear that Simon Parker was in the optimum position to record the incident, and this is supported by the video evidence of the meeting dvd. As you were emphatic in your original accusation that Cook was the culprit, I look forward to you arranging for Steve Brock's pics to be made publicly available to support your claim. i don't need to support my claim?? And I certainly don't and won't ask a 3rd party to justify what I'm saying I saw for a poxy forum... I replied to young51 that I stood corrected...but stand by what I saw. Obviously sparky photos show a definite gap, so maybe steves photos which were taken from roughly head on are deceptive and certainly don't show the gap that sparkys do.... So that's why I was emphatic.Haven't seen the video yet. Edited July 20, 2013 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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