BOBBATH Posted August 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 I'm pretty sure its August 1924- his old mate Reg Fearman agrees with 1924 and he is still in touch with Arthur. Any clarification from anybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted August 28, 2022 Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 All the travel / immigration records I can find point to 1923 being correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted August 28, 2022 Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 Not that it can be taken as gospel, but Wikipedia has it as 28/8/1923. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 28, 2022 Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, norbold said: Not that it can be taken as gospel, but Wikipedia has it as 28/8/1923. As do several other online sources - including our beloved National Speedway Museum - although again, you don't know where they got the information. Speaking of the National Speedway Museum, I notice that it is not available online. Has the site closed down? Edited August 28, 2022 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted August 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2022 You've convinced me- Arthur remains #1 but by a wider margin over Dick Bradley. Thanks all for taking the time and trouble on the research. So Arthur will be 100 next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted August 29, 2022 Report Share Posted August 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BOBBATH said: You've convinced me- Arthur remains #1 but by a wider margin over Dick Bradley. Thanks all for taking the time and trouble on the research. So Arthur will be 100 next year. In the build-up to his World Final appearances Arthur was reported in the speedway press as being born in Sydney in 1924. Matt Jackson of the Speedway Researcher website also records his date of birth as 30th August 1924. Edited August 29, 2022 by BL65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted August 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2022 What do forumlanders think we ought to do re Arthur's birthdate should there be two dates and an asterisk next to his name in the list. I am a stickler for historical accuracy but maybe we should enter both. Maybe we should wait and see if he gets a letter from the Queen in 23 or 24????????? But maybe the Queen won't last that long!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted August 29, 2022 Report Share Posted August 29, 2022 2 hours ago, BL65 said: In the build-up to his World Final appearances Arthur was reported in the speedway press as being born in Sydney in 1924. Matt Jackson of the Speedway Researcher website also records his date of birth as 30th August 1924. Tom Morgan's "Who's Who in Speedway", published in 1949, also gives his birth year as 1924. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted August 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2022 I give up-garcon bring me another martini!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted August 30, 2022 Report Share Posted August 30, 2022 13 hours ago, norbold said: Tom Morgan's "Who's Who in Speedway", published in 1949, also gives his birth year as 1924. The Wembley World Final programmes for 1950 and 1952 gave his age as 26 and 28 respectively, with the meetings taking place after his August birthday, suggesting he was born in 1924. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 30, 2022 Report Share Posted August 30, 2022 2 hours ago, BL65 said: The Wembley World Final programmes for 1950 and 1952 gave his age as 26 and 28 respectively, with the meetings taking place after his August birthday, suggesting he was born in 1924. That's more what I was looking for. Programmes and info from back then are more likely to be accurate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 30, 2022 Report Share Posted August 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, chunky said: That's more what I was looking for. Programmes and info from back then are more likely to be accurate... And yet if you check all the Programmes of the time I think they all have Knutson’s name wrong. In fact was it a speedway Programme editor that first printed the wrong name and it was forever copied ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted August 30, 2022 Report Share Posted August 30, 2022 "Birmingham romped home in true holiday style at Perry Barr on Saturday with a 51-33 Division II League victory over Norwich. It was announced on the track that Tamworth rider Arthur Payne - a 23-year-old Australian - has now been signed by Mr. Les Marshall, the Birmingham promoter." Birmingham Daily Gazette, Monday, 17th May 1948 The local newspaper believed Arthur was born in 1924, according to their report. The Control Board had previously refused to sanction the transfer of Arthur Payne from Tamworth to First Division Wimbledon as he was considered to be too inexperienced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 30, 2022 Report Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, iris123 said: And yet if you check all the Programmes of the time I think they all have Knutson’s name wrong. In fact was it a speedway Programme editor that first printed the wrong name and it was forever copied ? Oh, spellings are a TOTALLY different thing, and I don't think there was ANY track that didn't misspell a few names! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 30, 2022 Report Share Posted August 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, chunky said: Oh, spellings are a TOTALLY different thing, and I don't think there was ANY track that didn't misspell a few names! Yes, but funnily enough it is one of my bug bares that in a newspaper you see someone mentioned as being 23 and in the next report they are 24 or 22......but i guess speedway reports always get it right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 30, 2022 Report Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 minute ago, iris123 said: Yes, but funnily enough it is one of my bug bares that in a newspaper you see someone mentioned as being 23 and in the next report they are 24 or 22......but i guess speedway reports always get it right Speedway riders are notorious for not giving their correct ages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 30, 2022 Report Share Posted August 30, 2022 Ain't that the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted August 31, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2022 After reading all this I am sticking to 1924- if BL65 says that , well that's good enough for me. So there!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted September 2, 2022 Report Share Posted September 2, 2022 The man is still alive, so somebody could simply ask him or anyone close enough who has contact with Arthur Payne or his family. I guess that Peter White is a reliabe enough source of speedway info Down Under and he gives August 28, 1923, as the date of birth for Arthur Payne. See here https://speedwaypast.com/stories/arthur-payne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted September 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2022 Leave it with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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