Super Blue Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Having now printed out my scoresheet for this one and looked through the heats I've come to the conclusion that Witches will need to be on top form to get anything out of the meeting . Newcastle look strong throughout with several riders that like Foxhall or have done in the past . I definitely see it being a close meeting or we end up getting battered , I don't see a big Witches win at all . I obviously hope im wrong and will happily eat a large slice of humble pie if I am ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brough Diamond Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 This looks like a tough meeting for the Witches and will show how good we really are and whether we will be good enough to make the top 6 or not. Ben needs to start riding like the no1 we signed him for because as yet he has struggled to live up to that tag and theres no better time than this meeting to do just that. If he does I feel the Witches will win but if he does not its going to be difficult. I hope the referee keeps a close watch on Robbo at the gate so he doesn't get away with cheating with rolling starts, he is starting to get a real reputation for them, then whinging like hell he didn't. It will also be a good test to see what the gate is, goodish opposition and warmer sunny weather at last arriving, so should be near 2,000 and not struggling to get 700 or 800 as it has been recently for league meetings. If not, well proves the fans do not want premier league racing at all and the Elite League is the answer but there I already know that Only in your head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackal Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Only in your head! Did you not watch sky Monday sunshine and hear Mr Pearson's and Mr Tatum's comments on Robbo's gating prowess ??? Both agreed he is getting a reputation for trying to cheat at the gate with rolling starts, so certainly not just me but the hierarchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brough Diamond Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Did you not watch sky Monday sunshine and hear Mr Pearson's and Mr Tatum's comments on Robbo's gating prowess ??? Both agreed he is getting a reputation for trying to cheat at the gate with rolling starts, so certainly not just me but the hierarchy The day Pearson and Tatum start talking anything but drivel will be a great day. I also heard them describe Kasprzak as the potential next world champion. It's called "fill in on a boring meeting with utter tosh". Anyway you can see for yourself on Thursday and make your own mind up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Did you not watch sky Monday sunshine and hear Mr Pearson's and Mr Tatum's comments on Robbo's gating prowess ??? Both agreed he is getting a reputation for trying to cheat at the gate with rolling starts, so certainly not just me but the hierarchy there's a lot worse than robbo in the PL for rolling, anyway the ref rightly excluded him and called the other back, not as if he got away with it.... So what's the problem?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted June 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 there's a lot worse than robbo in the PL for rolling, anyway the ref rightly excluded him and called the other back, not as if he got away with it.... So what's the problem?? No problem, but this time to be fair to Aljack, Robbo IS getting a reputation for rollers despite claims to the contrary by Brough Diamond. He was doing it a couple of weeks ago on Sky in the PL and was at it again Monday. To do it not once or twice but three times on Monday was farcical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 (edited) No problem, but this time to be fair to Aljack, Robbo IS getting a reputation for rollers despite claims to the contrary by Brough Diamond. He was doing it a couple of weeks ago on Sky in the PL and was at it again Monday. To do it not once or twice but three times on Monday was farcical. was just a perfect start on sky IMO, agree about Monday. If that gets one of the fairest riders in the league a 'reputation' then fair enough. Edited June 5, 2013 by Arson fire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 I much prefer it when Robbo misses the start anyway - he can be a joy to watch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC71 Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 A little unfair on Robbo to label him a roller after 3 dodgy starts. He has been riding for nearly 20 years... Personally I think the rule on rolling needs reviewing. You could argue that if a rider can be excluded when he hasn't touched the tapes then what is the point of the tapes? Might as well just start on the red/green light. Anyway good to see Tully back tonight. Need to remember this is his first match of the season so it would be unfair to expect him to be winning races from the off. Because of that we may be a little weaker until he gets up to speed, but certainly at home he should be a very strong number 2. Still think this will be a home win but the Diamonds are well capable of pushing Ipswich hard and maybe pick up a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackal Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Well as usual its a matter of opinion what one think of rolling starts. Obviously they must not be allowed to happen, otherwise all the riders will start to try and cheat. So lets hope all referees clamp down on this and perhaps the rider should always be disqualified if found moving before the tapes go up once in position and green light is on. Its a beautiful day here in Suffolk today, so lets hope for a better gate and great racing between 2 teams that are in form and at last a warmer evening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorj Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 was just a perfect start on sky IMO, agree about Monday. If that gets one of the fairest riders in the league a 'reputation' then fair enough. The thing with him is if he carries on with these ridiculous starts and keeps getting disqualified the only people going to suffer is his own team, no ref will let him get away with anything like the starts on Monday , instead of his constant moaning he needs to start having a little look at the tellys !! The more he creates the more eyes will be on him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Personally I think the rule on rolling needs reviewing. You could argue that if a rider can be excluded when he hasn't touched the tapes then what is the point of the tapes? Might as well just start on the red/green light. Not touching the tapes doesnt mean its a satisfactory start (anyone not just Robbo!!) In athletics you can get a false start despite not going before the gun. The blocks measure the reaction time and if lower than what is considered humanly capable then its called back. The roller is Speedways equivalent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 The thing with him is if he carries on with these ridiculous starts and keeps getting disqualified the only people going to suffer is his own team, no ref will let him get away with anything like the starts on Monday , instead of his constant moaning he needs to start having a little look at the tellys !! The more he creates the more eyes will be on him Yet Robbo NEVER touched the Tapes once. He has lightning fast reflexes - since when, in Speedway - were you penalised for that. I have seen a number of Riders pulled up for making excellent starts and get penalised because they were so much quicker than anyone else - in my opinion that is WRONG!! Robbo admitted he jumped in one of his Races, fair enough he held his hands up for that - couldn't see much wrong with the other two though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 He was moving before the tapes went up and they are not meant to move before the tapes do, so they were all unsatisfactory. If the start marshalls did their jobs properly and don't let the riders pull back from the starts, you would get more excluded for actually hitting the tapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 The thing with him is if he carries on with these ridiculous starts and keeps getting disqualified the only people going to suffer is his own team, no ref will let him get away with anything like the starts on Monday , instead of his constant moaning he needs to start having a little look at the tellys !! The more he creates the more eyes will be on him constant moaning?? He said he jumped the start in the first one, but every team has them, including your very own... If he rolls then it's up to the ref to punish him, which he rightly did.... Not as if he got away with it ( unlike rene on fri I hear?) lol Yet Robbo NEVER touched the Tapes once. He has lightning fast reflexes - since when, in Speedway - were you penalised for that. I have seen a number of Riders pulled up for making excellent starts and get penalised because they were so much quicker than anyone else - in my opinion that is WRONG!! Robbo admitted he jumped in one of his Races, fair enough he held his hands up for that - couldn't see much wrong with the other two though. he did jump them like Ian..... And robbo wouldn't be the rider he is if he has lightning reflexes lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aceslider Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Watching the Sky coverage of the Lakeside/Coventry meeting it was noticeable that the tapes were not particularly tight from one end to the other. It was reasonably clear that there was a definite time lag from the tapes rising at the extremities to the central part of the tapes. If you watch reruns of the starts, you will see the fractional difference in movement which I believe is partly to blame for the differing views in this debate. Robbo is the last rider I would ever believe to be a "roller" and I believe he was genuinely watching for movement on the edge of the tapes. It would be interesting to hear a referee's take on what he or she constitutes to be a satisfactory start and would that include rider movement based on when any part of the tapes moves in an upwards direction. Anyway, this has gone slightly off topic and hope that Ippo and Diamonds put on another exciting premier league meeting this evening. Good luck to Andrew Tully on his late start to the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 (edited) ""Robbo is the last rider I would ever believe to be a "roller" and I believe he was genuinely watching for movement on the edge of the tapes."" Its easy to spot, look for the back wheel revolving. Lets hope the ref tonight keeps an eye on it! Witches to take all 3 points, but not if more than one rider has an off night? Over and out. Edited June 6, 2013 by Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Simple solution to this "rolling lark"...... Let them do what they like, as long as the rider does not touch the tapes. Bit like the "olden" days but without the jostling back and forth into the tapes. Anyways Ipswich to win but only just, last year we lost by 6 in the league cup. But won the league meeting by 4. Henry did well, Robson had 2 off nights(didn't win a heat) and the Worrall's were out injured. For the Witches will Lanham finally have his engine sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chewbacca Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Great return for Andy Tully. What a solid team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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