Trees Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Didn't have the slightest bit of interest in this meeting although I did watch it, total nothing meeting for me, it certainly was NOT a World Pairs Final!!! Not keen at all in this new development, having BSI involved in the sport is bad enough but now this, oh dear!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Didn't have the slightest bit of interest in this meeting although I did watch it, total nothing meeting for me, it certainly was NOT a World Pairs Final!!!Not keen at all in this new development, having BSI involved in the sport is bad enough but now this, oh dear!!!! Totally agree that this was NOT a World Pairs Final, and the FIM are certainly on our side in that regard! However, I thought you might have been supporting this new lot, considering how much BSI are against them (just joking, btw) In some ways I am happy to see "marketing" companies getting involved in the sport and trying to push the image forward, but I would rather they were brought into the league systems in each country rather than re-inventing more international competitions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 I thought some of the racing was actually really good, certainly better than what gets served up by the Elite League each week. However, that was completely nullified by the poor quality of the presentation. As has been said elsewhere, there was a complete lack of atmosphere and very little enthusiasm from the commentary team...and that's before we even consider the poor intro to the meeting, missed races at the start and then missing the start of a race (which actually looked like it was really good from the replay clips) after a commercial break. I'm not sure about the rest of Europe, but despite not being a "subscription channel" itself, Eurosport is only available in the UK bundled with other TV packages, i.e. Sky or Virgin, it's not available on freeview (digital terrestrial TV) Fair enough.I was actually talking of mainland Europe and jumping to a conclusion really.As it is available here on freeview and also from the lack of requests on FB for a stream.And when someone in Denmark did request one they were told "it is on Eurosport,you don't need a stream...." Which made me think most if not all other countries had it free like we have here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Seen a few comments on other social media regarding the Eurosport coverage. I understand their policy is to stick with a live event until it's conclusion, hence the first few heats missed due to the overrunning tennis. Lost interest in the racing after a short while and drifted off to sleep, still fuming over the Rye House result! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Like rmc and one or two others have mentioned,i can understand them staying with the tennis until the end.Only natural.They show something for an hour or more,they just can't leave before the end and swap to another sport.It was a small annoyance for us at home,but i do feel sorry for the people in the stadium who had to wait nearly and hour for the meeting to start.If there were families there it isn't very good customer service.It might make fans wary of attending a Eurosport meeting in the future.It certainly would me,as that is one of the things i hate the most about the sport.Not really watched much on the channel,but i did notice they often came back to the tennis late from advert breaks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Shaker Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Didn't have the slightest bit of interest in this meeting although I did watch it, total nothing meeting for me, it certainly was NOT a World Pairs Final!!! Not keen at all in this new development, having BSI involved in the sport is bad enough but now this, oh dear!!!! Not keen on having speedway meetings televised that we would otherwise not get to see?!? I thought it was thoroughly enjoyable. I really do not know what some people want. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 I had noticed that BSI are against this competition. They obviously think they will steal their thunder in some way. Of course they could easily start an unofficial world championship of their own I guess . . So how much has this new company got to do with the Polish Speedway Clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) Doubt this will ever get any official sanction as a world pairs final but plenty of options for an international competition. the Czechs are a waste of time but they have UK, Latvia or Ukraine who could add competetive pairs. Hopefully it continues as a TV competition as it was good to watch. Edited June 9, 2013 by pandorum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Doubt this will ever get any official sanction as a world pairs final but plenty of options for an international competition. the Czechs are a waste of time but they have UK, Latvia or Ukraine who could add competetive pairs. Hopefully it continues as a TV competition as it was good to watch. There was some good racing but it was hard to see it as anything other than a glorified challenge match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 There was some good racing but it was hard to see it as anything other than a glorified challenge match. Can't argue with that. But on the flip side, people say Brits need more international test meetings (which are also just glorified challenge matches), whereas these we have meetings like this, the European Championships and the European Junior Championships where British riders could get real experience against their peers, but they're not allowed to enter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 The scoring system they use is a joke (4-3-2-0) It is possible that you can win the tournament w/ithout winning one race., or the opposite like Greg Hancock winning every race and USA could possibly finish last. The presentation of the whole meeting was a joke starting with we did not know all the riders that would be taking part.. Then the start time for TV kept being set back. as there was a tennis match on that we could not see . Then the other Eurosport channel had recorded highlights of earlier snooker match. . We never saw the first few races. Then we did not know in some races who was riding. In one race it had Jarek Hampel on gate 4 at the tapes then cut to Jarek Hampel talking in the pits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 The scoring system they use is a joke (4-3-2-0) It is possible that you can win the tournament w/ithout winning one race., or the opposite like Greg Hancock winning every race and USA could possibly finish last. The presentation of the whole meeting was a joke starting with we did not know all the riders that would be taking part.. Then the start time for TV kept being set back. as there was a tennis match on that we could not see . Then the other Eurosport channel had recorded highlights of earlier snooker match. . We never saw the first few races. Then we did not know in some races who was riding. In one race it had Jarek Hampel on gate 4 at the tapes then cut to Jarek Hampel talking in the pits. 4-3-2-0 scoring was introduced to encourage team riding, far better for a best pairs event than 3-2-1-0. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 One of the worst meetings I've seen for a while and the coverage, commentary and input was sh!te. Was like watching a testimonial. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 The scoring system they use is a joke (4-3-2-0) It is possible that you can win the tournament w/ithout winning one race., or the opposite like Greg Hancock winning every race and USA could possibly finish last. The presentation of the whole meeting was a joke starting with we did not know all the riders that would be taking part.. Then the start time for TV kept being set back. as there was a tennis match on that we could not see . Then the other Eurosport channel had recorded highlights of earlier snooker match. . We never saw the first few races. Then we did not know in some races who was riding. In one race it had Jarek Hampel on gate 4 at the tapes then cut to Jarek Hampel talking in the pits. It is about pair,so the scoring system favours a good pair,not a brilliant individual.That is part of the problem with speedway.There just isn't enough strength in depth,even for a decent pairs meeting.Like i said the US will be nowhere once Greg goes.You could have Finland,but they only have Joonas really.Ok you could have Germany,Latvia or Ukraine,but they would only be making up the numbers at this level.As for what you could see in GB....well it seems the rest of Europe even Russia by the sounds of it could see the tennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Shaker Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Ricky Wells would probably have been a better partner for Greg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob tatum Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 It won't be on the box next year so you will all be moaning then won't you. What a bunch of sad fans? You are. Its on tv just enjoy that fact because it may not be in 5 years. Rant over off to kick the cat if we had one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 4-3-2-0 scoring was introduced to encourage team riding, far better for a best pairs event than 3-2-1-0. Why would this be better ? Can't see any advantage in the 4-3-2-0 scoring, it makes it worse, as it breaks with the traditionally and universally accepted 3,2,1,0 scroing in a speedway race. Keep it simple. Even in the knock-out stages (semis and final) the 3,2,1,0 scoring would work perfectly. In case of a 3-all drawn result, the winner is the team that earns teh paid bonus point (2nd & 3rd place). This would serve as a tie breaker, without having to make any such changes to the points scoring system. I certainly don't like the 4,3,2,0 scoring at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Yes.The funniest comment was from trees,who wasn't the least bit interested in the meeting,but watched it anyway just so she could moan about it afterwards!!!!Surely she or one of her neighbours had something that needed painting? As it is i do wonder if this has come at the wrong time.Just when Polish fans are losing interest in the sport and fed up of getting milked for GPs,SWC,U21 meetings,Poland v Rest of the World and now this.Just how many big meetings can polish fans afford to attend i ask my self.And how much interest can they have in the ever increasing amount of meetings?Like i said somewhere before it gets like boxing with an ever increasing number of titles to be won and suddenly the importance of any title drops off.I would like to see onesport get involved in a proper test series or even a tournament like we had in GB back in the early 70s.But the calendar is pretty well full now.How can you fit even more in without lots of riders missing meetings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Guest riders, regardless of the cicumstances, in a competition for national teams, completely devalue that competition. With Zagar's inclusion in the Czech team, this Eurosport Best Pairs became just another open meeting without much significance. The poor attendance figures at Torun indicate that there is no need to re-introduce a best pairs competition that no one really missed in the past 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 The scoring system they use is a joke (4-3-2-0) It is possible that you can win the tournament w/ithout winning one race., or the opposite like Greg Hancock winning every race and USA could possibly finish last. They? Isn't that the system that's used in our own Best Pairs competitions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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