Snyper1010 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Nothing to do with him being English, however i wonder if that swayed the refs decision. I have watched the incident several times today and i still cant see where Freddie apparent hit him with such force that it sent him flying across the bed. I also wonder if it is infact coincidence that both times Tai has wiped someone out it has been Nicki Pedersen. I am not surprised Nicki is blaming Tai he let the last one go as a racing incident. This time he must be wondering what Tai is thinking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSmiler Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 It wasn't the best, the track was horrific during the end and it was awful watching Nicki Pedersen have to shut off due to the track. However, as always I enjoyed it - I don't go to Cardiff every year so it's a better experience for me. I took a complete newbie to the event and he enjoyed it and to me that's all that matters. Coventry Bees have a new fan anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 It wasn't the best, the track was horrific during the end and it was awful watching Nicki Pedersen have to shut off due to the track. However, as always I enjoyed it - I don't go to Cardiff every year so it's a better experience for me. I took a complete newbie to the event and he enjoyed it and to me that's all that matters. Coventry Bees have a new fan anyway. Good to read some positivity amongst all the gloom in this thread, glad your friend enjoyed, hope you told them it's not like that at Brandon, could be a bit of a downer for them next week 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 . United Villa a few years back took place on an awful pitch at Wembley and there have been more than a few complaints over the years about the surface. Especially following NFL games etc. There has also been some shockingly bad permanent tracks served up over the years. It was also interesting to hear that as late as ten yesterday morning the meeting was not going ahead. WRONG ... the meeting was ALWAYS going ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Nothing to do with him being English, however i wonder if that swayed the refs decision. I have watched the incident several times today and i still cant see where Freddie apparent hit him with such force that it sent him flying across the bed. I also wonder if it is infact coincidence that both times Tai has wiped someone out it has been Nicki Pedersen. I am not surprised Nicki is blaming Tai he let the last one go as a racing incident. This time he must be wondering what Tai is thinking about. Pretty sure the ref was a Swede, so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Lol I was going to point that out to a couple of posters. I was under the impression that you were a former editor who still contributes freelance articles. To confirm this before i posted I opened up this weeks edition of the Speedway Star to check and saw the following; MANAGING EDITOR: Philip Rising EDITOR: Richard Clark I then used Wikipedia and Google to determine the difference between the two and was left with contradictory advice. I'm guessing though that Richard does the hands-on daily work and you act in an advisory or management capacity? Philip 'Fergie' Rising? Whilst we are fortunate to have your ear on this thread can i ask for your thoughts on the attendance vagaries i refer to below. THE attendance figure is provided to the media at the Press Conference by the Millennium Stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Could you imagine the speed at which GPs would die if Cardiff, the biggest event in speedway was cancelled on the day of the event. nw24 im fully aware of that but it wasnt a Swedish GP. It was Tais home gp, poor ref was probably terrified he would never ref another gp if he dared exclude Tai. Instead poor Freddie was used as the scape goat and still got further than Tai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 nw24 im fully aware of that but it wasnt a Swedish GP. It was Tais home gp, poor ref was probably terrified he would never ref another gp if he dared exclude Tai. Instead poor Freddie was used as the scape goat and still got further than Tai I think the ref was correct, but I do think that if a ref can't make a decision then he might decide in favour of a home rider. Although, with Woffinden injured, it would have possibly been the easier choice to exclude him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Could you imagine the speed at which GPs would die if Cardiff, the biggest event in speedway was cancelled on the day of the event. nw24 im fully aware of that but it wasnt a Swedish GP. It was Tais home gp, poor ref was probably terrified he would never ref another gp if he dared exclude Tai. Instead poor Freddie was used as the scape goat and still got further than Tai Terrified ref, of who, what? He wasn't working for the British. It was a racing incident, there are always going to be differing opinions on the cause, for me Freddie gave him a nudge, maybe that took him in to a rut on the track which caused the rest, I'm sure he didn't aim the bike at Pedersen deliberately. Either way it's a bit crass to gloat that he scored more points, the lad was injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 The only reason I have read to justify Lindgrens exclusion is that he "came in a bit fast" is that not the point of the sport? A terrible decision from the ref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) I thought it was Freddie who caused it, no contact but left no room Actually there was contact. Freddie's backwheel takes out Tai's leg. http://www.youtube.c...Nnm512G0#t=115s Vaculik have to lay it down because he only have two choices either continue which likely would have caused him to crash into Tai or he could lay the bike down. A very alert move by Vaculik avoided a bigger crash. Edited June 2, 2013 by Ghostwalker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Was posting a comment and my net dropped out, joys of motorway travel. Just read the gp website and they state NO contact was made between Freddie and Tai so i find it difficult to understand how Freddie could have gave him a nudge or pushed him out. If Tai didnt ride into the side/back of riders he wouldnt be injured right now. What about the twice he has now injured Nicki? It was just sheer bad luck that both times have been Pedersen? I never said the ref worked for a nation. He does however answer to the FIM and probably at some point to BSI/IMG they care only about attendance and money. Therefore its not a good idea to make decisions against home riders if there is the opportunity to blame someone else, step forward Freddie Lindgren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Whatever the rights and wrongs of the decision I would bet my house on Tai being happy to take the exclusion if he was able to swap it for the broken bone!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 WRONG ... the meeting was ALWAYS going ahead Oh no it wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Reckless? What trying to make a pass that any other rider would have went for. Maybe time for Tai to man up and stop riding like a woman. This after all is the World Championship. Riders will go for gaps. We could say Tai came down on Freddie, maybe he knew Freddie was having him. But then that couldnt possibly be true as that would mean Tai being to blame. Dontforgetthefueltapsbruv they do say karma is a bitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Crawl back under yer rock snyper old son. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 How anyone can say they enjoyed the meeting is beyond me what a load of horse dung. Some ok racing, I have seen far worse GPs. How much that was down to the bad track or not I don't know, but Harris third race was great stuff, so I thought the racing was ok, despite the bad track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Why because I didn't see the incident through the same bias glasses as a lot of the others on here. You know its amusing that it is ok to say anything you want about certain riders but dare speak bad of the "British pin up boy" and that ain't allowed. I have now read two different sources both stating no contact was made between Freddie and Tai. I bet if Tao was where Freddie was and Freddie was the one that flew across the bend Tai would have been innocent and would have been totally in the right and no contact made. Was great to see the cookie monster get two rides though. So wasn't all bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Why because I didn't see the incident through the same bias glasses as a lot of the others on here. You know its amusing that it is ok to say anything you want about certain riders but dare speak bad of the "British pin up boy" and that ain't allowed. I have now read two different sources both stating no contact was made between Freddie and Tai. I bet if Tao was where Freddie was and Freddie was the one that flew across the bend Tai would have been innocent and would have been totally in the right and no contact made. Was great to see the cookie monster get two rides though. So wasn't all bad Seems to me like you're the only one making a big deal of that particular incident, for most it's been mentioned in passing. I could hazard a guess and say you don't like Tai but it would only be a guess. Agreed, it was good to see Cookie get a couple of rides, also Josh, neither of them let themselves down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Agreed both done well after being thrown in at the deep end. Not bothered that is was Tai more the fact that the decision was awful. I would say the same had it been Lindback in Gothenburg, or Hampel in Torun etc. I feel the decision was swayed by the rider and venue and not by the actual incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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