speedwaysliders Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) Actually i think Greg Hancock and the track are to blame!!!.In Tais previous ride Greg picked up and gave Tai one hell of a scare which together with the track being the way it was had a factor in Tai drifting wide.Maybe he knew sommehow it was Freddie coming up the inside and tried to give him room,but the track caught Tai out.I really couldnt call it either way!!!! JUST out of interest KK BROKE THE TRACK RECORD ON THAT TRACK,HOW?.Who was the time keeper? Edited June 2, 2013 by speedwaysliders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 . But by and large the track at Cardiff has been good. I would say that generally the last 3 or 4 years have been good but before that it was very hit and miss and some have been worse than last night. I suspect that I, and many others thought they had got to grips with it and would now be able to serve up a decent track every year. However as soon as something goes wrong it seems it's back to guesswork. That's why you need somebody who has expertise in all sorts of groundwork and not just Speedway tracks to advise on all aspects, including storing the shale. There would be other people who could do the job I am sure but Ian is the one that I know of and am certain he could provide a good surface every time if they followed his advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTM Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) I have been privileged to information regarding the shale used yesterday and I wonder if Ole and his crew should have reacted earlier in the week by maybe getting new shale delivered to lay track as per Mon/Tues .Apparently the shale was not under cover at Newport but left outside on the Docks area whether it had been moved out during the closed season or just in the last month or so,or not been put in in the first place.The moisture content is tested with a probe pushed in in different places and I think ,but I,m sure ,an acceptable figure is around 5% to 7% to lay track and work it .The reported reading taken at start of the week was 17% .Obviously way over and working in side where you don,t get permanent sunshine(when we get any) or wind the drying process is virtually non existent .This reading should have been taken at the onset of work and IMO measures should have been implemented to get other shale providers within the uk to load up and get to Cardiff post haste.Breedon Quarries have been mentioned ref last night,s shale but it didnt come from them as having worked with their shale at Cardiff in previous years and at Coventry also ,last night the shale was different in colour (a lot lighter) and the texture and it looked to me as if sand had been mixed in with what ever they were passing off as shale.A lot of people have knocked track prep at Cardiff over the years and it was crap when we started but it has been the best indoor track for about the last 5 to 6 years haven,t been involved since 2011, but last night was very poor and dangerous .Well done to all the riders for giving it a go Commiserations to Tai .Unfortunately once again we are talking about Cardiff for all the wrong reasons,.Hopefully we will get an honest explanation on what happened but I won,t hold my breath likewise if I am proved wrong I will apologise but I don,t think that will be necessary. Edited June 2, 2013 by FTM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Regarding the attendance, we've just gotta except that speedway is a minority sport in this country these days. Travel costs pay a huge part too as does the excellent TV coverage. Of course you're gonna get a full house for Wales rugby matches. It's the national sport of Wales with the distance to travel being negligible. Anything approaching 40,000 for the GP is a decent crowd in this day and age 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Cracking day out made much better by backing KK each way... Really is coming good now. The track was a disgrace and Rising is just making a dick of himself defending it. Nice to meet up with old faces... Shame stevebrum wasnt there as would of liked to of bought him a drink off my winnings from KK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Agreed, it was good to see Cookie get a couple of rides, also Josh, neither of them let themselves down. Cook was first out of turn 2 in his initial ride, but was left lagging down the back straight. Not sure if it was his bike underpowered, or just that he was on the wrong part of the track. Still, an encouraging performance. Auty has never been a gater, and in this sort of company that's gonna get you nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I was happy with the profit made from Emil winning but would have preferred the returns had nicki won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Was good to see Cook & Auty get to ride (although wish it hadnt been at tai expense) However watching Cook in same races as some of the riders who are likely to be in world cup does make me feel he might not be ready to ride against them in world cup this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I don't think Cook did any worse than any other track reserve anywhere else would do at that stage. The riders he was up against had been racing the track, they knew how it had changed, they knew where the lines were, the ruts etc. It can't be easy to step in at that level over half way through a meeting and seriously expect to compete. Same with Auty. Cook would be a great addition to the England team (sorry I mean great britain) For too long fb have fielded the same faces over and over with no success. They wait until these guys are mid 20s instead of breaking them in earlier and giving them that experience. Cook is an exception as he is new to the sport so was around to be selected in his teens. This topic will ultimately lead back to early years training and the sheer lack of facilities. Until that changes no GB team are going to compete on the world stage at a consistently high level. There may be spikes in performance where there is a few good riders appear but there will be little to no real talent to back that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I take it you haven't seen the lengthy debate on that subject in the British gp thread. Just so you know your talking tripe, the one major decision he had to make he bottled it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 THE track surface looked (and indeed was) much lighter in appearance than recent years because on Friday morning a considerable amount of lime was laid and then graded into to help suck out the excessive moisture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur cross Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) JUST out of interest KK BROKE THE TRACK RECORD ON THAT TRACK,HOW?.Who was the time keeper? Very easy explanation of why the track record was broken despite last night's awful track conditions. A surface like that gives you more grip than usual (and therefore more speed) but with the risk that you won't be able to control a good chunk of that extra grip/speed because it's so unpredictable ... anyone who managed four laps without any scary moments on the way was going to post a quick time. The infamous 2004 PLRC at Sheffield on Sky was an even better example of what I've just explained than last night's action ... lengthy protests by the riders meant the coverage over-ran by 40 minutes but the race times were some of the quickest all season ... it all ended up with Andre Compton and Simon Stead both riding like maniacs against each other in the final leading to their pile-up on the 3rd bend of the final lap about which Sheffield and Workington fans will never agree (Mark Lemon was the first past the chequered flag but Compton was awarded the title several minutes later with priority being given to the medical checks for both Compton and the excluded Stead before the verdict was announced). Edited June 2, 2013 by arthur cross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I was happy with the profit made from Emil winning but would have preferred the returns had nicki won. Kasprzak each way @ 33/1 was one of the best bets of the weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 You mean the one he got right? Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 No I mean the one he bottled and got totally wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I saw KK and Zagar at 40s but opted for the wrong one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 So you agree that escluding one's fellow counrtyman when they clip another rider was absolutely correct. Mind he probably should have excluded that track that meant a minor coming together became something much worse than it should have. Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 No what I mean is that buckling to pressure knowing that excluding a rider from his home gp is taboo he instead used the only rider in the area as a scape goat. Two sources state there was NO contact between the two riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) I was there and I reckon there was. Plenty of other posters also say Freddie made contact with his leg. speedwaygp.com is not always the best source of information... look how well they kept folk informed about the track! Niamh Edited June 2, 2013 by Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I too was there. As I said previously any contact that may have been was minimal and is seen hundreds of times with no rider crossing the whole width of the bend and plowing into an opponent. Just happens to be the same opponent he ploughed into two GPs ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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