barrow boy Posted June 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 I thought this was supposed to be the top ten riders who rode for Barrow You thought wrong then but it would be a good team if it was wouldn't it. My current top 10 are now as follows:- 01-Craig Cook-Edinburgh 02-Ben Barker-Ipswich 03-Ritchie Worrall-Newcastle 04-Richard Lawson-Workington 05-Jason Doyle-Somerset 06-Joe Screen-Glasgow 07-Stuart Robson-Newcastle 08-Micky Dyer-Redcar 09-Theo Pijper-Edinburgh 10-Edward Kennett-Berwick 2 other riders who are currently injured and out of action, Simon Stead & Oliver Allen would have been included had they been currently riding. Its easy, he just draws names out of a hat. Funny how Craig Cook keeps coming out first then. How can you have a rider in on current form when they are out injured, that's not exactly current is it. Good point. I keep them in until I'm sure they are going to be out for a while. Just how many times are you going to evade the question of how you're arriving at your mysterious top 10? I explained this last season. I have a spread sheet that takes into account the difficulties of each race. Points scored in heats 2-8-14 do not earn riders as much as in the other heats and points scored in heats 13 & 15 carry a higher value. Also riders not scoring in heats 13 & 15 are not penalised because of their high difficulty rating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipswich Jules Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 So it's not based on form then? Cameron Heeps for example has been on good form at reserve for Ipswich yet won't get a sniff because he's a reserve and get's "easy difficulty" heats? Yet for example a poorly performing No.5 will get no penalty for coming last in heat 13 time and time again? So basically, you have made it up as you go along with your weighted stats assuming all heats 2-8-14 are easy and 13-15 are hard etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willowman Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 So it's not based on form then? Cameron Heeps for example has been on good form at reserve for Ipswich yet won't get a sniff because he's a reserve and get's "easy difficulty" heats? Yet for example a poorly performing No.5 will get no penalty for coming last in heat 13 time and time again? So basically, you have made it up as you go along with your weighted stats assuming all heats 2-8-14 are easy and 13-15 are hard etc? Steady on there I.J. Surely this is just for a bit of fun. From what is sounds like it is going to be biased towards heat leaders if it is based on points scoring based on the degree of difficulty in a heat. I suppose if 'barrow boy' was to fully reveal his weightings then we would all be arguing over those. Perhaps he could do with doing another based on relative improvement. Then Cameron Heeps would certainly feature alongside Ritchie Worrall and Micky Dyer who would be at the top. It sounds like this is what you are after. After all the title is 'Top 10 Riders' so surely you would expect the best heat leaders to be there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Speedway fans never cease to amaze...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted July 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 So it's not based on form then? Cameron Heeps for example has been on good form at reserve for Ipswich yet won't get a sniff because he's a reserve and get's "easy difficulty" heats? Yet for example a poorly performing No.5 will get no penalty for coming last in heat 13 time and time again? So basically, you have made it up as you go along with your weighted stats assuming all heats 2-8-14 are easy and 13-15 are hard etc? But it is easier to score points in heats 2-8-14 and harder in heats 13 & 15. Everyone should appreciate that surely and if a reserve does good in any heats other than 2-8-14 then the points gained are quite rightly credited to him. I do not feel that I have just simply made it up to suit the better riders but have tried to be fairer to those who are constantly competing in the harder races. It is based on current form by using each rider's most recent 10 matches and Cameron Heep's current last 10 matches have achieved a ranking average of over 2 points less than the rider in 10th place. I acknowledge that he is currently performing 2 points better than his BSPA GSRA and is therefore on the way up and who knows he may one day actually be in my top 10 but only if he rides in the main body of Ipswich's team and beats some of the league's better riders on a regular basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 But it is easier to score points in heats 2-8-14 and harder in heats 13 & 15. Everyone should appreciate that surely and if a reserve does good in any heats other than 2-8-14 then the points gained are quite rightly credited to him. I do not feel that I have just simply made it up to suit the better riders but have tried to be fairer to those who are constantly competing in the harder races. It is based on current form by using each rider's most recent 10 matches and Cameron Heep's current last 10 matches have achieved a ranking average of over 2 points less than the rider in 10th place. I acknowledge that he is currently performing 2 points better than his BSPA GSRA and is therefore on the way up and who knows he may one day actually be in my top 10 but only if he rides in the main body of Ipswich's team and beats some of the league's better riders on a regular basis. Point proven tonight I would say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Stewart Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 This is a good thread and congratulations to Barrow Boy on his interesting lists. It doesn't even need a statistical justification, quite legitimate to do it on gut feel, but he does have a statistical backup for it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted July 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 My top 10 riders on current form are now as follows:- 01-Craig Cook-Edinburgh 02-Ben Barker-Ipswich 03-Jason Doyle-Somerset 04-Ritchie Worrall-Newcastle 05-Ulrich Ostergaard-Redcar 06-Micky Dyer-Redcar 07-Richard Lawson-Workington 08-Joe Screen-Glasgow 09-Aaron Summers-Redcar 10-Theo Pijper-Edinburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comet49 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 This is a good thread and congratulations to Barrow Boy on his interesting lists. It doesn't even need a statistical justification, quite legitimate to do it on gut feel, but he does have a statistical backup for it anyway. Well said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted July 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 On current form my top 10 riders are now as follows:- 01-Craig Cook-Edinburgh 02-Ben Barker-Ipswich 03-Jason Doyle-Somerset 04-Mikkel Bech Jensen-Plymouth 05-Micky Dyer-Redcar 06-Richie Worrall-Newcastle 07-Magnus Karlsson-Leicester 08-Josh Auty-Scunthorpe 09-Anders Mellgren-Rye House 10-Richard Lawson-Workington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willowman Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 On current form my top 10 riders are now as follows:- 01-Craig Cook-Edinburgh 02-Ben Barker-Ipswich 03-Jason Doyle-Somerset 04-Mikkel Bech Jensen-Plymouth 05-Micky Dyer-Redcar 06-Richie Worrall-Newcastle 07-Magnus Karlsson-Leicester 08-Josh Auty-Scunthorpe 09-Anders Mellgren-Rye House 10-Richard Lawson-Workington What, no Cameron Heeps. Off to crawl under a rock before IJ has a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 What, no Cameron Heeps. Off to crawl under a rock before IJ has a go. He can say what he likes. The fact is that Cameron Heeps is not yet doing well enough to oust any riders from my top 10. Which riders do you think that he is better than? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcoz88 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I can see what you're saying and where you're coming from. But surely heats 2, 8 and 13 are more difficult to score points in because the riders are all of similar quality in each heat. You specify heat 14 as a weak heat but surely its no different to heat 12, because you don't generally find a second string in either 12 or 14. For example somerset have Nick Morris and Alex Davies and ipswich have Rohan Tungate and Morten Risager in those heats, none of them are second string riders, and they're only up against similar riders or reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willowman Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 He can say what he likes. The fact is that Cameron Heeps is not yet doing well enough to oust any riders from my top 10. Which riders do you think that he is better than? Nobody. I totally agree with you. The comment was make tongue-in-cheek, hence me hiding under a rock in case 'Ipswich Jules' was prompted to have another go. As far as your stats are concerned, they are fine by me. Keep them coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) But surely heats 2, 8 and 13 are more difficult to score points in because the riders are all of similar quality in each heat. But the quality in heats 2 & 8 is not as high as in most of the other heats. True, there are sometimes better riders in at number 4 in heat 14 but mostly it is a heat of lesser quality. I would say though that very often heat 14 is the most entertaining of the evening. Edited July 23, 2013 by barrow boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted July 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 On current form my top 10 riders are now as follows:- 01-Craig Cook-Edinburgh 02-Ritchie Worrall-Newcastle 03-Ben Barker-Ipswich 04-Jason Doyle-Somerset 05-Mikkel Bech Jensen-Plymouth 06-Magnus Karlsson-Leicester 07-Claus Vissing-Edinburgh 08-Micky Dyer-Redcar 09-Josh Auty-Scunthorpe 10-Nick Morris-Somerset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 How close is Cam to breaking in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Think he will need to start winning heat ones constantly to get into this top 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 On current form my top 10 riders are now as follows:- 01-Craig Cook-Edinburgh 02-Ritchie Worrall-Newcastle 03-Ben Barker-Ipswich 04-Jason Doyle-Somerset 05-Mikkel Bech Jensen-Plymouth 06-Magnus Karlsson-Leicester 07-Claus Vissing-Edinburgh 08-Micky Dyer-Redcar 09-Josh Auty-Scunthorpe 10-Nick Morris-Somerset Out of interest, do you include guest bookings in your system BB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted August 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Out of interest, do you include guest bookings in your system BB? Yes On current form my current top 10 riders are now as follows:- 01-Craig Cook-Edinburgh 02-Jason Doyle-Somerset 03-Ritchie Worrall-Newcastle 04-Ben Barker-Ipswich 05-Mikkel Bech Jensen-Plymouth 06-Nick Morris-Somerset 07-Kozza Smith-Berwick 08-Magnus Karlsson-Leicester 09-Josh Grajzonek-Somerset 10-Ludvig Lindgren-Newcastle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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