Ludvig Lindgren (he's Fine Before You Worry!)

[Long Eye]

World Cup??? He's British. How can he go riding for Poland or Sweden in the World Cup? :blink:

In any case Lindgren riding for Sweden in the World Cup wouldn't matter. Doubling up should only be for riders who are not contracted to a foreign league.

 

 

If Craig Cook had signed to ride for a Polish League or Swedish League team, then yes, he shouldn't be allowed to double up.

 

The SWC race off is the same day as an Edinburgh meeting. If, hypothetically, Cookie was representing GB in that meeting and missing the PL match, would he be dedicated to British speedway? After all he would be riding abroad and not over here in front of his home fans.

[HenryW]

The SWC race off is the same day as an Edinburgh meeting. If, hypothetically, Cookie was representing GB in that meeting and missing the PL match, would he be dedicated to British speedway? After all he would be riding abroad and not over here in front of his home fans.

The British National team is surely the top level of British speedway, so anyone racing for Britain is still giving priority to British speedway.

[SCB]

Fair enough,can we take it then that Swindon wouldve been fined when they turned up at Kings Lynn without Hans Anderson as their No1,Lewis Blackbird taking his place.Then Rye House a couple of weeks ago when Nelson missed their meeting with Sheffield having had his visa turned down by Ukraine.

Nelson was banned, he didn't miss the meeting. Jeeze, you're suggesting if a rider get a ban, he then gets a ban for missing the meeting he is banned from. do you see whats coming next? He'd get a ban for missing the next meeting he was banned form and then what? Banned again for missing the meeting eh was banned from for missing a meeting he was banned form for missing a meeting he was banned from.

 

You can't possibly get a ban for missing a meeting you were banned from, that more stupid than the suggestion Lindgren can double up despite not meeting the criteria.

[lucifer sam]

So to cut a long, strory short no rider competing in Sweden should be allowed to double-up in the UK. Seems reasonable - the point of doubling-up was to offer extra opportunites to riders without the extra fixtures elsewhere.

 

While I can't see how you can prevent those riders already doing it this year, this rule does need re-inforcing next year.

 

Meanwhile, Lindgren should pay his fine, or otherwise face suspension. He did miss a UK fixture despite committing not to, when we signed up to double up in this country.

 

All the best

Rob

[Trees]

 

The British National team is surely the top level of British speedway, so anyone racing for Britain is still giving priority to British speedway.

Priority to BSI speedway!

[Sparky from Sheffield]

Fair enough,can we take it then that Swindon wouldve been fined when they turned up at Kings Lynn without Hans Anderson as their No1,Lewis Blackbird taking his place.Then Rye House a couple of weeks ago when Nelson missed their meeting with Sheffield having had his visa turned down by Ukraine.

Nelson was banned, he didn't miss the meeting. Jeeze, you're suggesting if a rider get a ban, he then gets a ban for missing the meeting he is banned from. do you see whats coming next? He'd get a ban for missing the next meeting he was banned form and then what? Banned again for missing the meeting eh was banned from for missing a meeting he was banned form for missing a meeting he was banned from.

 

You can't possibly get a ban for missing a meeting you were banned from, that more stupid than the suggestion Lindgren can double up despite not meeting the criteria.

Rye House WERE fined for fielding an under strength team. Whilst Nelson was banned, he was still named in the Rye team, and therefore Rye went into the match with 5 riders (having already used RR for Bunyan)

[Tsunami]

So to cut a long, strory short no rider competing in Sweden should be allowed to double-up in the UK. Seems reasonable - the point of doubling-up was to offer extra opportunites to riders without the extra fixtures elsewhere.

 

While I can't see how you can prevent those riders already doing it this year, this rule does need re-inforcing next year.

 

Meanwhile, Lindgren should pay his fine, or otherwise face suspension. He did miss a UK fixture despite committing not to, when we signed up to double up in this country.

 

All the best

Rob

 

What fine or can't you read.

 

Thanks for the extra info Tsunami.

 

In conclusion:

 

1. The rule for doubling up in the UK states the rider must "give absolute priority to all British Speedway fixtures".

2. There is an agreement with SVEMO that states that original published fixtures have priority over rescheduled fixtures.

 

As it is impossible to meet point 1 whilst contracted to compete in SVEMO events, obviously no rider who has such a contract for SVEMO events is eligible for a double up position in the UK.

 

Couldn't be simpler than that. Thanks for clarifying.

 

Or as normal people would understand - Rule 1 unless Rule 2 takes precedent. Solved.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

 

 

What fine or can't you read.

 

 

 

Or as normal people would understand - Rule 1 unless Rule 2 takes precedent. Solved.

Whilst I tend to agree with your outlook as what seems to be common sense if rule 2 does take precedence over rule 1 then surely Newcastle wouldve been granted a facilty.

 

As it wasnt granted then surely that means rule 1 has precedence over rule 2.

 

So it seems the hardline approach would be to enforce the rule and make Ludvig stand down from 1 team whilst the practical common sense approach has actually been taken.

 

Of course the result is that any such similar situation or variation of and any hardline interetation of the rule is impossible. Eg Adam Ellis at Lakeside where he technically doesnt qualify due to not having a 2012 average.

 

Of course the common sense solution is still to let him double up anyway. If that doesnt happen then further questions arise.

[SCB]

 

Rye House WERE fined for fielding an under strength team. Whilst Nelson was banned, he was still named in the Rye team, and therefore Rye went into the match with 5 riders (having already used RR for Bunyan)

Rye were under strength as they didnt replace him. Nelson didn't get a fine.

[freddyfivetoes]

There are opinions on whether a rider and/or his club should be fined. Newcastle were fined for being understength and Lindgren for not turning up -- a total of £500 I am told, not sure how much to each.

 

Rye House would surely be fined for being understrength, Nelson probably not.

[The White Knight]

If Lindgren IS Fined - it will be a disgrace. Exactly WHAT was he supposed to do? He has done everything that could have been expected of him. He has honoured his Swedish Contract, had he not, he would have been in trouble there. He WOULD have ridden at Berwick had the Meeting been run on a Saturday AS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. The Meeting was changed to meet the demands of a Television Channel - hardly Lindgren's fault. His Club agreed to the Meeting on the Tuesday, presumably aware of Lindgren's commitments.

 

As far as I can see, by all that is reasonable, no blame can be placed at Lindgren's door in any way, shape or form.

[foamfence]

If Lindgren IS Fined - it will be a disgrace. Exactly WHAT was he supposed to do? He has done everything that could have been expected of him. He has honoured his Swedish Contract, had he not, he would have been in trouble there. He WOULD have ridden at Berwick had the Meeting been run on a Saturday AS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. The Meeting was changed to meet the demands of a Television Channel - hardly Lindgren's fault. His Club agreed to the Meeting on the Tuesday, presumably aware of Lindgren's commitments.

 

As far as I can see, by all that is reasonable, no blame can be placed at Lindgren's door in any way, shape or form.

Where's your picture? Have you shaved the beard off or something?

[Tsunami]

If Lindgren IS Fined - it will be a disgrace. Exactly WHAT was he supposed to do? He has done everything that could have been expected of him. He has honoured his Swedish Contract, had he not, he would have been in trouble there. He WOULD have ridden at Berwick had the Meeting been run on a Saturday AS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. The Meeting was changed to meet the demands of a Television Channel - hardly Lindgren's fault. His Club agreed to the Meeting on the Tuesday, presumably aware of Lindgren's commitments.

 

As far as I can see, by all that is reasonable, no blame can be placed at Lindgren's door in any way, shape or form.

 

Don't worry TWK, Lindgren was NOT fined, and freddi5toes even has the amount wrong.

[The White Knight]

Where's your picture? Have you shaved the beard off or something?

 

No - I haven't shaved my beard off - I've had it for forty years now - too old to change. I did shave it off twice for charity - but - sadly I didn't like the look of what was underneath so I grew it straight back. :)

 

I took my picture off in order to put another one on and I've forgotten how to do it. I am waiting for my Son to sort it for me.

[szkocjasid]

Rye House WERE fined for fielding an under strength team. Whilst Nelson was banned, he was still named in the Rye team, and therefore Rye went into the match with 5 riders (having already used RR for Bunyan)

Given Rye House won, should Sheffield have been fined for fielding an understrength team - mind you Glasgow would be fined every away match if that was the case!