SCB Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 So whos going to drop Lindgren, Wolves or Newcastle? 17.7.1 An initial declaration can include only 2 Riders graded as “A” on the Listing approved at the EL AGM. In an initial or re-declaration up to 3 Doubling-Up Riders may be included who must at the time of (re)declaration: a) be in a Premier League’s currently Declared 1 – 7, have a PL MA established prior to the start of the season and c) give absolute priority to all British Speedway fixtures.So now he's not given British Speedway priority, he cannot double up. Seeing as he rode for Wolves last night I can only assume Newcastle are looking for a new rider. Or are we going to ignore a rule again because we don't like it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 If there's any clash between a Wolves or Newcastle fixture and a foreign fixture, then surely Wolves/Newcastle can just postpone theirs now under the new Poole rule. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 So whos going to drop Lindgren, Wolves or Newcastle? So now he's not given British Speedway priority, he cannot double up. Seeing as he rode for Wolves last night I can only assume Newcastle are looking for a new rider. Or are we going to ignore a rule again because we don't like it? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 That's the usual educated response thats usually given from those running the sport and their lackeys when fans raise concerns. Then they bleat about losing money at the end of the year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Once again belittling the opinions, concerns and thoughts of the fans. Some things never change. If you don't like it, you belittle. Edited May 23, 2013 by TheReturn 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 "In the interests of British Speedway" exception perhaps? To be honest, the Berwick v Newcastle meeting was changed so he was put in an impossible position. This is what happens when you don't keep the conveyor belt of young talent going, the NL and development leagues are helping by starting to do the job now, but it will take a while to make up for the years of neglect of Brits for mercenary foreignors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 To my understanding of the situation - Ludwig is NOT a mercenary - he had no other choice than to do what he did. I certainly don't think he should be fined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 BWitcher and TheReturn My sarcastic response is because SCB is well aware of the real situation, but once again wants to be the clever sod with rules. There are no rules being ignored, but other things in the process to deal with cases such as Ludvig's situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 BWitcher and TheReturn My sarcastic response is because SCB is well aware of the real situation, but once again wants to be the clever sod with rules. There are no rules being ignored, but other things in the process to deal with cases such as Ludvig's situation. Fair enough Tsunami.. Be better to have just posted that perhaps? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 So whos going to drop Lindgren, Wolves or Newcastle? So now he's not given British Speedway priority, he cannot double up. Seeing as he rode for Wolves last night I can only assume Newcastle are looking for a new rider. Or are we going to ignore a rule again because we don't like it? Given absolute priority to British fixtures is something that very few overseas riders do now,tonight you have Hans Anderson chasing Danish Final glory,if he`s to give absolute priority shouldnt he be at Swindon. Im sure Lindgren wouldve loved to have raced at Shielfield the other night,but his Swedish fixture wouldve been arranged months ago where the Berwick v Newcastle meeting was brought forward at a few weeks notice. Had lindgren told SVEMO is was not racing for Vastervik and would race for Newcastle,chances are you wouldnt have seen Lindgren race over here for quite some time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) Given absolute priority to British fixtures is something that very few overseas riders do now,tonight you have Hans Anderson chasing Danish Final glory,if he`s to give absolute priority shouldnt he be at Swindon. Im sure Lindgren wouldve loved to have raced at Shielfield the other night,but his Swedish fixture wouldve been arranged months ago where the Berwick v Newcastle meeting was brought forward at a few weeks notice. Had lindgren told SVEMO is was not racing for Vastervik and would race for Newcastle,chances are you wouldnt have seen Lindgren race over here for quite some time. That was exactly the situation screm, but unfortunately others want to be the clever lad with the rules. We couldn't get out of it and we were penalised having to put a 3 pointer in instead of Ludvig. No rules broken at all. Edited May 23, 2013 by Tsunami 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 That was exactly the situation screm, but unfortunately others want to be the clever lad with the rules. We couldn't get out of it and we penalised having to put a 3 pointer in instead of Ludvig. No rules broken at all. Im just delighted Ludvig wasnt there. Im sure Berwick had a similar situation with Alden last season,if he didnt fulfill his Swedish fixture SVEMO would stop him racing over here,so they used an NL rider.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) Im just delighted Ludvig wasnt there. Im sure Berwick had a similar situation with Alden last season,if he didnt fulfill his Swedish fixture SVEMO would stop him racing over here,so they used an NL rider.. That's the rules, Yes. Originally there appeared to be a trade off with Swedes on both sides, but it didn't happen. There is precedent of a guest being allowed in exceptional circumstances, but in case it was NO. As you say, it was probably a better meeting for racing and excitement without Ludvig, but it didn't seem like that on the night before the meeting started. Edited May 23, 2013 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 That's the rules, Yes. Originally there appeared to be a trade off with Swedes on both sides, but it didn't happen. There is precedent of a guest being allowed in exceptional circumstances, but in case it was NO. As you say, it was probably a better meeting for racing and excitement without Ludvig, but it didn't seem like that on the night before the meeting started. Id imagine the only other thing Newcastle couldve done was to appeal to the BSPA that Lindgren was witholding his services,Id say Newcastle wouldve got a guest facility for tuesday,but lost Lindgren for 28-days. A no win situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 If anything it just highlighted how stupidly pedantic and pathetic some of the rules are.... Surely they should add in something about re arranged fixtures ' for the good of the sport' ?? Instead sometimes it looks like they make it up as they go along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 BWitcher and TheReturn My sarcastic response is because SCB is well aware of the real situation, but once again wants to be the clever sod with rules. There are no rules being ignored, but other things in the process to deal with cases such as Ludvig's situation. No I'm not. Do explain. Given absolute priority to British fixtures is something that very few overseas riders do now,tonight you have Hans Anderson chasing Danish Final glory,if he`s to give absolute priority shouldnt he be at Swindon.Hans Andersen doesn't doubt up. So what does he have to do with double uppers having to give prioerity to British Speedway? Im sure Lindgren wouldve loved to have raced at Shielfield the other night,but his Swedish fixture wouldve been arranged months ago where the Berwick v Newcastle meeting was brought forward at a few weeks notice. Had lindgren told SVEMO is was not racing for Vastervik and would race for Newcastle,chances are you wouldnt have seen Lindgren race over here for quite some time. Right, so Lindgren cannot give absolute priority to British Speedway, thus should not double up. Thanks for agreeing with me. That was exactly the situation screm, but unfortunately others want to be the clever lad with the rules. We couldn't get out of it and we were penalised having to put a 3 pointer in instead of Ludvig. No rules broken at all. Yes there are, doubling u rider have to give "absolute priority to British Speedway" - Ludvig did not/cannot do that, so he should not be allowed to double up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 No I'm not. Do explain. Hans Andersen doesn't doubt up. So what does he have to do with double uppers having to give prioerity to British Speedway? Right, so Lindgren cannot give absolute priority to British Speedway, thus should not double up. Thanks for agreeing with me. Yes there are, doubling u rider have to give "absolute priority to British Speedway" - Ludvig did not/cannot do that, so he should not be allowed to double up. Ludvig would have rode for us if he could have, He couldn't. You work it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Hans Andersen doesn't doubt up. So what does he have to do with double uppers having to give prioerity to British Speedway? No he doesnt but your quote was about giving absolute priority to British fixtures,something that Anderson isnt doing tonight,and Swindon have a guest facility at their disposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Ludvig would have rode for us if he could have, He couldn't. You work it out. So SCB is right? Lindgren can't give the British leagues absolute priority, so he is ineligible as a double-up rider as per the rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Ludvig would have rode for us if he could have, He couldn't. You work it out. The rule doesn't say, "The ride has to give priory, well, except when he can't, but you know, that;ll be fine." The rule says the rider has to give "absolutely priority to British Speedway". Ludvig CANNOT do that, even if eh wnats to. No he doesnt but your quote was about giving absolute priority to British fixtures,something that Anderson isnt doing tonight,and Swindon have a guest facility at their disposal.No, m,y quote was that double uppers have to give absolute priority. Hans isn't a double upper. It's a moot point. A straw man argument. It has nothing to do with the point raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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