Wild Cards 2014

[Ghostwalker]

THE difference with Rune was that it was essentially to allow him to ride for Poland (not the country of his birth) in the World Cup, which he did winning gold or more than one occasion.

 

There has been some mutterings that the Laguta brothers were looking to ride for Latvia next year but I believe that has been blocked by the FIM.

 

But it's hardly just speedway is it? An Irishman helping England win a cricket match in Dublin yesterday.

 

Its hardly their business is it? In Holta's case I think he lived(/s) in Poland with his wife who is Polish? Does not Laguta live in Latvia with his Latvian wife?

So they allowed Rune bot not Laguta? Also the reason to why he want to change is from what I understand that he has lost

his patience with those who are running speedway in Russia,

[The White Knight]

Its hardly their business is it? In Holta's case I think he lived(/s) in Poland with his wife who is Polish? Does not Laguta live in Latvia with his Latvian wife?

So they allowed Rune bot not Laguta? Also the reason to why he want to change is from what I understand that he has lost

his patience with those who are running speedway in Russia,

 

That's probably why he is unable to change.

[PHILIPRISING]

HOW can you say that it is none of the FIM's business if a rider or riders, having represented one country in the SWC, decide they want to ride for another?

[LagutaRacingFan]

HOW can you say that it is none of the FIM's business if a rider or riders, having represented one country in the SWC, decide they want to ride for another?

 

Let's be honest, The credibility of the speedway world cup is already "shot" due to the joker rule so why not allow riders to ride for other countries, It's not like any major media outlets or tv companies are going to complain.

[Ghostwalker]

HOW can you say that it is none of the FIM's business if a rider or riders, having represented one country in the SWC, decide they want to ride for another?

 

Why should it be?

 

If a rider wants to represent the country in which he lives and and that country also is the country that his wife is from then why should it be a matter for FIM to approve or disapprove it?

It should be a matter for the immigration authorities and the licensing authority in the country the rider wish to ride. It would hardly be the first time an athlete decides to represent another country.

Despite that they have already represented another country during their professional career.

 

Just because FIM have their "marketing ideas" for speedway in Russia and a possible GP in Russia should not allow them to take decisions that are based on what's best for their "wallet":

For that they need to have big Russian stars, they have Emil and Grigorij but now one of them wants to change to a Latvian license. Obviously this is not good

for FIM's marketing plans for speedway in Russia.

 

Joonas Kylmäkorpi is another riders who have switched between licenses during his career, From Swedish to Finnish and back to Swedish license.

Yet FIM apparently didn't not have any problems with that?

[Mark]

I'm not an expert but in cricket they have a residency rule which allows foreign players to play for another country. Maybe that could be applied for speedway too.

[PHILIPRISING]

I THINK what the FIM are saying even if it is shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted) is that if you have ridden for one country in the SWC (Russia in the case of the Laguta brothers) you cannot ride for another at a latter stage.

[severnsider]

Rugby has tighten up on the rules regarding the ability to play for a given country. There were cases many years ago where people played for one country and then played for another but you can't do this anymore. There were cases of players representing New Zealand and England, Argentina and Australia, and a lot of Samoans representing New Zealand.

 

The rules seem to take in to account the players representing a country at junior level as was highlight by the case of Steve Shindler who was blocked from being in the Scotland squad after representing Wales as a junior.

 

The rules only stop a person representing the country if they have already played for another country. It doesn't stop people from one country representing another on grounds of residency or family ties. This can be seen in the number of Aussies, Kiwis, South Africans, Tongans & Samoans representing all the home unions in the last few years.

[fullbore]

Samoans representing all the home unions in the last few years.

 

Though some of them have actually grown up in the country they represent, Toby Falatau has lived in Wales since the age of 7 I believe.

 

Niamh

[LagutaRacingFan]

Does anybody know when the BSI will invest back into the grass roots of speedway and rider development or will they continue to leech off the leagues and kill league racing in the UK?

Edited September 5, 2013 by Hougaard Racing Fans

[fullbore]

Br fair the BSPA will manage to kill UK speedway without outside help!

 

Niamh

[PHILIPRISING]

Does anybody know when the BSI will invest back into the grass roots of speedway and rider development or will they continue to leech off the leagues and kill league racing in the UK?

 

PERHAPS you might ask the FIM what they do with the substantial sums of money that not only BSI but also every organiser of a SGP round pays to them each year?

 

And, before you ask, yes I have and the stock answer is that it goes into the FIM coffers but is pretty well untraceable after that.

[The White Knight]

Does anybody know when the BSI will invest back into the grass roots of speedway and rider development or will they continue to leech off the leagues and kill league racing in the UK?

 

Now THAT is a good question.

[JT]

Out of interest, do riders get appearance fees? In golf and tennis for example, top players can demand sizeable payment or a slice of admission fees for entering a tournament. Someone box office like Pedersen, or an in form Gollob in Poland for example, would be much more of a draw than someone like Dryml.

 

I guess the answer is no in the GP's, and it's the extra revenue from sponsorship drawn in by TV exposure, that compensates for the apparently poor prize money?

 

On the subject of sponsorship, does anyone know roughly how much it costs for decent size sponsorship space on a riders bike and kevlars? I've noticed a few riders (Woffinden included) with gaps on their equipment.

 

JT.

Edited September 5, 2013 by JT

[racers and royals]

Out of interest, do riders get appearance fees? In golf and tennis for example, top players can demand sizeable payment or a slice of admission fees for entering a tournament. Someone box office like Pedersen, or an in form Gollob in Poland for example, would be much more of a draw than someone like Dryml.

 

I guess the answer is no in the GP's, and it's the extra revenue from sponsorship drawn in by TV exposure, that compensates for the apparently poor prize money?

 

On the subject of sponsorship, does anyone know roughly how much it costs for decent size sponsorship space on a riders bike and kevlars? I've noticed a few riders (Woffinden included) with gaps on their equipment.

 

JT.

Philip Rising did tell us before that BSI do make a payment to each of the 15 permanent riders pre season-presumably it a sort of media co-operation fee.

[LagutaRacingFan]

Philip Rising did tell us before that BSI do make a payment to each of the 15 permanent riders pre season-presumably it a sort of media co-operation fee.

 

The fee is peanuts.

[PHILIPRISING]

IT is not a fee but a voluntary contribution to their early season expenses. As I have stated previously, BSI pay the FIM, as do organising tracks, and payments to riders come from them.

 

GP riders in particular earn most of their corn through sponsorship deals, which are largely built on the back on exposure at prime meetings (GPs) and on TV. It is rumoured that Gollob, for example, picks up a six figure sum from Monster.

[rob tatum]

Sorry I don't agree BSI are causing the downfall of league speedway the league is poorly run & always has been. Pains me to say it but it needs major surgery or it will cough & splutter like an asthmatic ant carrying heavy shopping into the abyss.

[The White Knight]

Sorry I don't agree BSI are causing the downfall of league speedway the league is poorly run & always has been. Pains me to say it but it needs major surgery or it will cough & splutter like an asthmatic ant carrying heavy shopping into the abyss.

 

I believe they do not help League Speedway though. Personally I rue the day that they ever got involved in Speedway. They have screwed Speedway in more ways than one - taking Money out of the Sport. If, as Philip says the Riders get more from Sponsorship - it is just as well. Apparently the Riders are paid buttons by BSI. I don't know how much BSI pay the Riders - but - I have heard that it isn't a lot. If this is true - SHAME ON THEM!!

 

It is the RIDERS who are putting their necks on the line - they should get a decent amount from the Owners of the GP Series.

Edited September 6, 2013 by The White Knight

[racers and royals]

 

 

I believe they do not help League Speedway though. Personally I rue the day that they ever got involved in Speedway. They have screwed Speedway in more ways than one - taking Money out of the Sport. If, as Philip says the Riders get more from Sponsorship - it is just as well. Apparently the Riders are paid buttons by BSI. I don't know how much BSI pay the Riders - but - I have heard that it isn't a lot. If this is true - SHAME ON THEM!!

 

It is the RIDERS who are putting their necks on the line - they should get a decent amount from the Owners of the GP Series.

As Philip Rising has pointed out more than once-it`s the FIM that set the GP prize money rates

they are not secret-all in USD

1ST 12000

2ND 8800

3RD 7200

4TH 6200

5TH/6TH 5200

7TH/8TH 4600

9TH 3850

10TH 3700

11TH 3650

12TH 3600

13TH 3550

14TH 3500

15TH 3450

16TH 3400

17TH/18TH 1000

 

For GP`s in Europe the rider pays for travel/hotels himself.