DutchGrasstrack Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Zagar withdrew Thursday if I remember right. German federation was actually quite upset that they weren't called as a German rider (I guess Max Dilger) was ready to go But hey it doesn't matter now anymore, Harris took his chance and he's now probably in :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) First rider to replace Zagar in GP Challenge was Krzysztof Buczkowski (9th in race-off in Lonigo). Noone even asked him to take Zagar's place!! IT would have been up to the Polish Federation to ask him, if they so wished, after being informed by the FIM. The same with the German federation. The FIM say that normal procedure was followed and that eventually the ACU/BSPA were asked to supply meeting reserves and at least one English rider declined before Harris stepped up to the plate. Edited December 8, 2013 by PHILIPRISING 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Maybe he won't be asked or he might turn it down if asked.All is not lost yet!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Maybe he won't be asked or he might turn it down if asked.All is not lost yet!!!!im assuming your not English because if you are then that's quite sad you feel that way. I didn't think Tai would be top 10 good job he didn't turn it down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severnsider Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 In the programme for the Challenge Pavlic was 1st reserve & Harris was 2nd. Assumed Pavlic didn't travel. If he had he would have been in meeting not Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoestringtours Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 so after all that.....can I get my Bomber flag out please ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 FURROW Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 so after all that.....can I get my Bomber flag out please ?With a bit of luck and some sense from the FIM no bring on the youth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Common sense.... A pole withdraws.... a young Pole comes in. Either Janowski or Dudek for me, I'd go for Magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Common sense.... A pole withdraws.... a young Pole comes in. Either Janowski or Dudek for me, I'd go for Magic. HPW many more times ... it's HARRIS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 and Benbecula and Bute are next in line.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 In the programme for the Challenge Pavlic was 1st reserve & Harris was 2nd. Assumed Pavlic didn't travel. If he had he would have been in meeting not HarrisAs I have previously posted(more than once) Pavlic was 1st in line when Zagar pulled out-then Buczkowski,then Dilger(all in the Lonigo semi where Zagar qualified) I have also previously stated that Buczkowski was in the country racing for Peterborough the previous night so IF asked why did he not accept the booking ? It`s water under the bridge but it still doesn`t sit right with me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) As I have previously posted(more than once) Pavlic was 1st in line when Zagar pulled out-then Buczkowski,then Dilger(all in the Lonigo semi where Zagar qualified) I have also previously stated that Buczkowski was in the country racing for Peterborough the previous night so IF asked why did he not accept the booking ? It`s water under the bridge but it still doesn`t sit right with me. It matters not when Zagar pulled out. Harris was already first reserve by then. The first reserve would have been Pavlic as of the day after the last semi. If he chose not to do it then it would have been offered down to various riders from th qualifiers. Nobody wanted it. They asked Craig Cook who said no and then Chris Harris who said yes. So Bomber was 1st reserve, then a rider withdrew (Zagar) so why the hell should all those who withdrew in the previous couple of weeks get a phone call? Chris Harris was first reserve as all the others had pulled out. Edited December 8, 2013 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) Hmmm seems legit. Wonders me though why the German federation posted their (angry) statement in the press that they were never contacted about a possible replacement (Dilger). Edited December 8, 2013 by DutchGrasstrack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoestringtours Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 HPW many more times ... it's HARRIS! Flag now out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Do you people seriously follow speedway? Zagar withdrew late on. Certain riders did not want to travel to be a reserve up to them. Harris was there and able to ride and has grabbed his chance. The system may be flawed but more fool the other riders who didn't or wouldn't travel. There isn't even a discussion to be had really! actually i have gotten the impression that Zagar's withdrawal came several days earlier then Thursday but that it was not announced until the last minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 actually i have gotten the impression that Zagar's withdrawal came several days earlier then Thursday but that it was not announced until the last minute. Evidence? Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Done some digging: Rumours came to the SGP website on the thursday (22/08), then the official message on the friday (23/08). The first lineup was amended on 16/08 with Lathi replacing Przemek as he was injured. Pavlic and Kildemand as reserve. No sign of Harris yet. Then on 20/08 a new version was published with Kildemand replacing Loktaev as he had visa problems. Harris came in as second reserve with Pavlic still on #17. Then on 23/08 another new version (final lineup) was published with Harris replacing Zagar and Barker and Bridger as reserve. Pavlic disappeared from the entry list. So afterall it seems that Harris took the chance to be a second reserve and he was lucky that Zagar and Pavlic showed no interest and therefore he could race the whole meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoestringtours Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) I'm not going to worry....I'm going to have a sleep.....on pay !! With a bit of luck and some sense from the FIM no bring on the youth Edited December 9, 2013 by par_darrell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Done some digging: Rumours came to the SGP website on the thursday (22/08), then the official message on the friday (23/08). The first lineup was amended on 16/08 with Lathi replacing Przemek as he was injured. Pavlic and Kildemand as reserve. No sign of Harris yet. Then on 20/08 a new version was published with Kildemand replacing Loktaev as he had visa problems. Harris came in as second reserve with Pavlic still on #17. Then on 23/08 another new version (final lineup) was published with Harris replacing Zagar and Barker and Bridger as reserve. Pavlic disappeared from the entry list. So afterall it seems that Harris took the chance to be a second reserve and he was lucky that Zagar and Pavlic showed no interest and therefore he could race the whole meeting. Thanks DGT for the digging-however like the German federation I`m still not entirely happy with the chain of events.If we remember back Pavlic and everyone else thought he had qualified for Poole from Lonigo-because the FIM failed to make it clear what would happen if Kennett failed to qualify from the delayed Holsted semi. I can understand why Pavlic with no equipment overhere couldn`t accept the offer to replace Zagar however Buczkowski who only failed to qualify for Poole in a Lonigo 4 rider race-off for 2 places up for grabs surely would have accepted if asked-5 rides away from the GP series. After all he had competed in Hungary and Italy.There was enough time for him or someone else to bring a "Polish engine " over for the Poole meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonHWeiner Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Surely, whatever the rights and wrongs of the system, if the rules say that Bomber is in the GP's next year, if we call ourselves British speedway supporters, we should get behind him 100%. When was the last time we had 2 British GP riders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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