iris123 Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) BUT he accepted the wild card invitation and was named by the FIM in the official 2014 line-up...# We are almost always told info won't be released until everything is finalised.Think you might have told us that once or twice yourself........so?I stick by what i stated before. Edited December 6, 2013 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 # We are almost always told info won't be released until everything is finalised.Think you might have told us that once or twice yourself........so?I stick by what i stated before. PLEASE yourself ... just passing on FIM explanation. Harris will replace Gollob and I thoroughly endorse what Midland Red wrote. No doubt there will be the conspiracy theorists who think that BSI in their perceived desire to get Chris into the series by hook or by crook persuaded Monster to pull the plug on their six figure sponsorship of the Gollob (the real reason behind his withdrawal from the SGP) to accommodate their golden boy. But Philip who is replacing gollop SEE above ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 PLEASE yourself ... just passing on FIM explanation.I'm not pleasing myself Phil.I am just stating what you so often tell us when something is posted,like say a venue for the GP......"Not finalised...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 No doubt there will be the conspiracy theorists who think that BSI in their perceived desire to get Chris into the series by hook or by crook persuaded Monster to pull the plug on their six figure sponsorship of the Gollob (the real reason behind his withdrawal from the SGP) to accommodate their golden boy. So Tai gets a large Moster deal and at the same time Monster drop Gollob who then pulls out of the GPs letting Bomber in... So it's a real conspiracy with one brit engineering the situation where another brit gets in Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 So Tai gets a large Moster deal and at the same time Monster drop Gollob who then pulls out of the GPs letting Bomber in... So it's a real conspiracy with one brit engineering the situation where another brit gets in Niamh So . . . There was a conspiracy to get Tai to win the WC in order for Tomasz to lose his mega-sponsorship so that Harris could sneak in to next year's series???? I was going to say "you couldn't make it up" but . . . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantherman Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 So . . . There was a conspiracy to get Tai to win the WC in order for Tomasz to lose his mega-sponsorship so that Harris could sneak in to next year's series???? I was going to say "you couldn't make it up" but . . . Couldn't you see that Midland Red, it was so obvious! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 KLAXON: "BREAKING NEWS" It's official. Tomasz Gollob as pulled out of the 2014 GPs citing his age as the reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 If it turns out true that Harris is in the GP then I find that really disappointing. Not only was he asked to compete at the challenge in preference to a whole host of other riders that were ahead of him in the qualifying (including two other British riders), he then gets in through the back door again on a controversial point - whether Gollob was confirmed in the series or not. Nothing against Harris but everything against unfairness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 KLAXON: "BREAKING NEWS" It's official. Tomasz Gollob as pulled out of the 2014 GPs citing his age as the reason He's too old to drink Monster!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 The old they risk there necks to entertain us rubbish. They do it because they quite enjoy riding bikes and someone pays them to. Anyone who believes they do it for our entertainment is very stupid. Ask yourself this would they do it for free?? Swindon riders did, and I expect many others too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Surely Chris Harris cant get a wildcard pick for next year,its just plain wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 (edited) HE doesn't get a wild card pick. The next in line from the GP Challenge (Harris) will replace Gollob. That's the FIM rule... Edited December 7, 2013 by PHILIPRISING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Gollob was a wild card pick so this means he has turned it down so surely they will pick another wild card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Gollob was a wild card pick so this means he has turned it down so surely they will pick another wild card I really MUST take issue with this word. Is THIS what the World Championship has come down to? Obviously it IS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 (edited) HE doesn't get a wild card pick. The next in line from the GP Challenge (Harris) will replace Gollob. That's the FIM rule... is it the rule? You are correct that SPGP rules state : "...Should a rider or riders who have qualified directly, either by being in the top 8 of the Final Overall Grand Prix Classification or in the top 3 of the FIM Grand Prix qualification system or who qualified through both systems, withdraw prior to the start of the Grand Prix season, the first rider or riders available on the Official Grand Prix Qualified Substitute list shall replace him or them" However, and this is what makes me not so sure about Harris being "in" is that Gollob's inclusion is not through direct qualification as covered by the above rule but by being nominated by BSI. So is there not the possibility that BSI will have the opportunity to nominate another rider? Last year BSI tried to replace Jason Crump with Andreas Jonsson when crump announced his retirement. In that matter the FIM said "no" as Crump was a qualifier and Dryml was awarded the spot as first reserve as per the rule..but as I say, Gollob is not a qualifier. I cant find a rule about replacing nominated riders - is there one? Edited December 7, 2013 by 1 valve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 is it the rule? You are correct that SPGP rules state : "...Should a rider or riders who have qualified directly, either by being in the top 8 of the Final Overall Grand Prix Classification or in the top 3 of the FIM Grand Prix qualification system or who qualified through both systems, withdraw prior to the start of the Grand Prix season, the first rider or riders available on the Official Grand Prix Qualified Substitute list shall replace him or them" Last year BSI tried to replace Jason Crump with Andreas Jonsson when crump announced his retirement. In that matter the FIM said "no" as Crump was a qualifier and Dryml was awarded the spot as first reserve as per the rule..but as I say, Gollob is not a qualifier. I cant find a rule about replacing nominated riders - is there one? However, and this is what makes me not so sure about Harris being "in" is that Gollob's inclusion is not through direct qualification as covered by the above rule but by being nominated by BSI. So is there not the possibility that BSI will have the opportunity to nominate another rider? HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Under rule 077.8.5 - FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship Qualification System you will find this rule:"Should a rider withdraw after the publication of the official rider line-up for the following year's Grand Prix season, then the first rider available on the official Grand Prix Substitute List shall replace him." Unless the FIM changes their rules for 2014, I think it's pretty clear that Harris is replacing Gollob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 (edited) Gollob is neither a top 8 rider of the 2013 SGP nor is he a top 3 Qualifier from the Challenge. He would have been a wild card entry, but obviously has turned down the SGP's invitation for 2014. This means that according to the rules, FIM/IMG/BSI or whoever makes this decision, can give a wildcard to whomever they want. Harris certainly has no claim to be an automatic replacement for Gollob. But of course he could be picked as a permanent wild card to replace Gollob. Fair enough if it is Harris then, but I don't think it will go down well with the Polish media, public and clubs. They only have Kasprzak and Hampel in the SGP now, and the Poles will surely want another Pole come in to replace Tomek. Edited December 7, 2013 by Bavarian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Gollob is neither a top 8 rider of the 2013 SGP nor is he a top 3 Qualifier from the Challenge. He would have been a wild card entry, but obviously has turned down the SGP's invitation for 2014. This means that according to the rules, FIM/IMG/BSI or whoever makes this decision, can give a wildcard to whomever they want. Harris certainly has no claim to be an automatic replacement for Gollob. But of course he could be picked as a permanent wild card to replace Gollob. Fair enough if it is Harris then, but I don't think it will go down well with the Polish media, public and clubs. They only have Kasprzak and Hampel in the SGP now, and the Poles will surely want another Pole come in to replace Tomek. you are wrong in the sense that tg took the wildcard, rider lineup was announced (the deadline) and after that he said no more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trap 1 Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Who knows this could be bombers year!! Hope so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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