Rocket Dave Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 From what I can gather if you book well in advance, then you will avoid these problems and you'll be able to buy tickets at the rate you think is acceptable. Now I know this isn't always possible, but when you do book things up & pay last minute, whether it be speedway gp tickets, flights, football tickets, theatre tickets, you run the risk of paying more. Not saying its right, but it's business, they all do it. Not trying to annoy anyone here, just giving you the view from a business perspective. Tex you're not wrong but the difference here is that there were 15,000 empty seats and I haven't found a statement anywhere that says concessions are limited. When a special offer has a limit its normal to see a statement that says the concession is for the first 500 or 200 or whatever and in my case I've never been to a GP before and people were telling me that there would be 1,000's of tickets on the day ( which was true) but they sold out of concessions. I would have bought on line had I known I was going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Like I said Dave, I know it's not right it's just the way it is. And especially with 45k already sold, they won't give any late ticks away at a discount. Not saying its right, just that from a business point of view I understand. Yes there were a lot of seats free, but they won't (have never) filled them even at a discount. So I guess they try and maximize revenue with a "This is your only option, take it or leave it" attitude. As I said before, same usually goes for any tickets bought late for any concert/event/travel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Like I said Dave, I know it's not right it's just the way it is. And especially with 45k already sold, they won't give any late ticks away at a discount. Not saying its right, just that from a business point of view I understand. Yes there were a lot of seats free, but they won't (have never) filled them even at a discount. So I guess they try and maximize revenue with a "This is your only option, take it or leave it" attitude. As I said before, same usually goes for any tickets bought late for any concert/event/travel Well I dont!! Having 15,000 empty seats making NO money - or - 13,500 (1,500 extra seats sold) possibly giving you at least SOME extra Revenue is a no brainer for me I'm afraid. If I was a Shareholder in BSI - I would be expecting them to MAXIMISE their Takings - I would NOT expect them to deliberately LOSE money - and THAT is what they were doing at Cardiff. I am still of the opinion that Speedway will rue the day that they ever got BSI involved with our Sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Well I don't think they woulda sold that many more is my point. I doubt there were 1500 effected by the restriction of discounted tickets. Also, why do you think we will regret BSI ever being involved? This is a genuine question not a loaded one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Well I don't think they woulda sold that many more is my point. I doubt there were 1500 effected by the restriction of discounted tickets. Also, why do you think we will regret BSI ever being involved? This is a genuine question not a loaded one. To answer your question - because of things like what happened to those folk at Cardiff who couldn't get in to the Stadium. As you say - they are ALL Business - that might be OK in Business but in Sport you have to consider your Clients, the Customer. Not much consideration given here and certainly NOT the best image to present to the Public. There are also people who run the GP Series who have far too much say in what goes on in the GPs. I just think that their involvement does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the image of League Speedway at all - and THAT is where the Riders come from - I think they need to remember that - but they won't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 My thoughts are that the era for team racing is coming to an end - with five years or so - with speedway essentially running to a format of individual series featuring only top class riders. League/team racing with all its bizarre rules, restrictions, etc has done much to destroy the sport over the past 20 years. A reason why attendances have consistently fallen away. It's "Mickey Mouse" sport and the larger sporting public have realised this. The sad thing is that you could be right - but - I fervently hope you are not. :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 (edited) WK thanks for your reply. I do understand where you are coming from & yes league racing, where the riders have to come up through to get to the GP's has taken a battering. However I'm inclined to agree with gustix that between the stupid rule changes, lack on continuity with team building & the general ineptness of the BSPA, team racing in this country is on the way out. It's sad, but can't see how it can survive. Looking likely it won't be on sky after this season, that will be if not the final nail in the coffin, very close to it. Edited June 13, 2013 by Tex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 WK thanks for your reply. I do understand where you are coming from & yes league racing, where the riders have to come up through to get to the GP's has taken a battering. However I'm inclined to agree with gustix that between the stupid rule changes, lack on continuity with team building & the general ineptness of the BSPA, team racing in this country is on the way out. It's sad, but can't see how it can survive. Looking likely it won't be on sky after this season, that will be if not the final nail in the coffin, very close to it. We shall see Tex - we shall see. I do hope for the continuation of League Speedway - it has been my passion for years. As I said earlier, you could be right but forgive me saying that I hope that you are wrong. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 I hope I'm wrong too sir. Great memories of Rye, hackney & Arena as a kid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I just think that their involvement does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the image of League Speedway at all - and THAT is where the Riders come from - I think they need to remember that - but they won't. What did the old one-off world final (before IMG and BSI got involved) bring to league speedway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 What did the old one-off world final (before IMG and BSI got involved) bring to league speedway? i think the differnce then was that we were the top league and just about all world finalists and champions rode here so it probably did add something then but nothing now - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 What did the old one-off world final (before IMG and BSI got involved) bring to league speedway? Didnt all clubs get a payout just like the other 'shared' events? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyJ Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) Didnt all clubs get a payout just like the other 'shared' events? I recall reading an article from a former promoter who, when we hosted the World Final at Wembley, said his own share of the profits was enough to buy a couple of houses. I believe these events were promoted by the BSPA who then shared the proceeds and, theoretically, kept the money directly in the sport. Whether it was actually put to any good use for the benefit of British Speedway....?! Not a clue who promoted the one-off World Finals directly before IMG/BSI involvement though. Suspect it was on similar lines to the above but with some input from Sweden, Denmark and Poland? Edited June 14, 2013 by Tkdandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 What did the old one-off world final (before IMG and BSI got involved) bring to league speedway? So you think IMG and BSI are the bees knees do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 So you think IMG and BSI are the bees knees do you? No, not at all. But people say they "take money out of the sport". Well, my question is, what happened to all the money when British league meetings were packed to the rafters in the 60s, 70s, 80s etc? Did those promoters buy the stadiums and invest in youth facilities in order to give clubs a solid foundation or did they cream off the profits into their own pockets? BSI is a commercial organisation, but so is every individual club. The fact that BSI make a profit and the average British club doesn't, is up to the clubs. Maybe without Sky we can have the British Final on a Saturday night and get a decent crowd which can put some money back into the club's pockets? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 No, not at all. But people say they "take money out of the sport". Well, my question is, what happened to all the money when British league meetings were packed to the rafters in the 60s, 70s, 80s etc? Did those promoters buy the stadiums and invest in youth facilities in order to give clubs a solid foundation or did they cream off the profits into their own pockets? BSI is a commercial organisation, but so is every individual club. The fact that BSI make a profit and the average British club doesn't, is up to the clubs. Maybe without Sky we can have the British Final on a Saturday night and get a decent crowd which can put some money back into the club's pockets? Two wrongs don't make a right though Matt. BSI will bleed Speedway dry - it is not in their perceived interest to consider the future of the Sport. As long as they can cream off the top Riders for their GPs - they are happy. As soon as the standards of the top Riders coming through drop - they will be off into the sunset with a bag full of Cash leaving Speedway to sort the mess out afterwards. Mark my words. Now if the put some money in to a Development Programme for Speedway Riders that might be different - but - THEY DON'T!!! :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 But presumably BSI pay the FIM for the rights to promote the world individual championship, so why isn't that money trickling down from the FIM into youth speedway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 But presumably BSI pay the FIM for the rights to promote the world individual championship, so why isn't that money trickling down from the FIM into youth speedway? I don't know if they do Matt. I agree, though, they probably do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I don't know if they do Matt. I agree, though, they probably do. Of course BSI pay for the rights, a considerable sum. They invest more into the sport than the old day promoters ever used to. The promoters of the sixties and seventies bled the sport dry without investing a penny into the infrastructure of the sport. While stadiums got ever more ramshackle plenty of promoters drove around in Rolls Royces before retiring to foreign climes on the back of a few years speedway promoting. BSI have given British Speedway a massive platform from which to build, it is not their fault that British Speedway hasn't capitalised on it. Out of interest where do you think the sports individual world championship would have been today were it not for the GP firstly and then the intervention of BSI 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Of course BSI pay for the rights, a considerable sum. They invest more into the sport than the old day promoters ever used to. The promoters of the sixties and seventies bled the sport dry without investing a penny into the infrastructure of the sport. While stadiums got ever more ramshackle plenty of promoters drove around in Rolls Royces before retiring to foreign climes on the back of a few years speedway promoting. BSI have given British Speedway a massive platform from which to build, it is not their fault that British Speedway hasn't capitalised on it. Out of interest where do you think the sports individual world championship would have been today were it not for the GP firstly and then the intervention of BSI We would probably still have the 'one off' World Final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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