manchesterpaul Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) PREAMBLE - FOR FANS BENEFIT NOT MINE Last season for the first time ever in all the years the thread has existed a moderator, who never stood up when asked to, removed the British Final Racecard thread and pushed it into the main thread. I've my suspicions as to who it was and the true reasons why it was done (part of a clique comes to mind). It seems very poor that fans may be denied a free service by being unaware it's available just because of a personal grudge held by one with the power to delete threads. I expressed that i thought the removal of the racecard thread for the meeting was a very poor decision indeed. Within a few hours one had to backtrack several pages just to find the original post stating there is a card. Other providers bumped their card a page or so later. When there is a specific aspect to a meeting or competition it is neccessary and prudent for it to have it's own thread. You get a wasteful surge of bandwidth usage in everyone having to plough back page, after page, after page to find mention of that clearly specific aspect (in this case available racecards). You get repeated posts asking if there is a racecard and then subsequent repeat postings from those who are providing a card to tell them yes. You get repeated 'bump' postings from providers to let fans know a card is available. If the thread is amalgamated into the 'racing' thread of the British Final then many, many fans are going to be totally unaware that they are available for it. The BSF has always been a great service for providing users with information or access to it. We quite rightly have 'weekly' threads for the international leagues and individual threads for Elite, Premier and National League matches. It seems very odd that fans are expected to try and find links for racecards by trawling through page after page of posts. Is it possible for a Moderator (ideally the one who removed the racecard post) to give a reason if it's to be removed. If it's to save space i should mention that there are currently many trivial threads all over the forums which don't provide anything tangible for the fans. One particular thread of a now huge size is total nonsense and contains many posts that break several laws. The space it has taken with it's often offensive content would cater for many genuine threads full of interest and information. I'll hastily point out that the cards are free contain no advertising or personal opinions. There is no personal gain from them nor personal 'fame' lol they are issued under a penname for goodness sake. They are provided simply as a free service for fans and the BSF has always been a great conveyor of such things. Additionally, the actual number of downloads for this meeting is exceptionally high, there is a very surprising amount of keen interest in it. This year the line-up actually looks very good too. OK NECESSARY WAFFLE OVER. From tomorrow evening (Sunday) there will be TWO MiniMax racecards available for the British Final, the traditional one that has been provided in the past and......yep ya guessed it.......the unique and TRULY innovative DUAL GRID version. I'm just holding back until then until the weekend UK meetings and the Sunday Polish League have finished in case of injuries. Edited May 11, 2013 by manchesterpaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted May 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 (edited) AVAILABLE as of NOW! You can directly download them from the top of the following page. NEW and TRULY innovative is the MiniMax DUAL GRID racecard. DUAL GRID MiniMax Racecard 2013 BRITISH FINAL For those who prefer the grid style format i've added many unique, superior and useful formatting touches that fans expect and have become accustomed to with MiniMax designs. Once again no need to get eyestrain and possess a computer like memory just to see who is leading during a meeting. You have your race-by-race grid - which is as always with MiniMax clearly delineated round by round to assist in countback - and additionally all on the same line the ability to fill in a riders accumulative score race after race. This allows for a valuable instant glance to see the meeting standings. Also available is the BASIC MiniMax racecard MiniMax Racecard 2013 BRITISH FINAL Edited May 12, 2013 by manchesterpaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 (edited) "You get a wasteful surge of bandwidth usage......" My Irony-meter has just exploded. In what way is the racecard you provide innovative? Edited May 12, 2013 by SCB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted May 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 "You get a wasteful surge of bandwidth usage......" My Irony-meter has just exploded. In what way is the racecard you provide innovative? Just one aspect as an example "and additionally all on the same line the ability to fill in a riders accumulative score race after race. This allows for a valuable instant glance to see the meeting standings." Anyway that's all i can be bothered to point out, it's my last word on the subject, i'm not being drawn into the boring arguing over whose racecard is the best. As i've said many, many times fans have several different tastes and preferences in racecards. MY racecard IS the BEST....for those who choose to download it, OTHERS racecards ARE the BEST....for those who choose to download them. How many times do i need to point that out? Just glanced at the server and the downloads are merrily chugging away, so i suggest leave be those who like to fill in racecards - WHOSEVER THEY ARE - and get on with your life. Surely you must have more interesting and important things to do than argue over racecards? do you? Regarding the irony-meter, i knew i'd get a reply on those lines however it's because of people like yourself and your clique that such a long-winded preamble was necessary. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 (edited) Here's one you can fill out on your PC if you have MS Excel. It'll do for ELRC/PLRC as well when they come around. https://www.dropbox....sh Final.xlsx?m The two reserves have been promoted to cover for the missing Stead and Hall, no notification of who the new reserves will be so you'll need to add them. Edited May 13, 2013 by daveallan81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drofgum Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Full landscape page British Speedway Final scorecards in jpg or pdf format now available at http://www.speedwayscorecards.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 What is the point of scorecards as opposed to the official race programme which carries heat details plus various informative articles and photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 What is the point of scorecards as opposed to the official race programme which carries heat details plus various informative articles and photos? Comes in handy if you are not actually at the meeting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Looks like Haines is riding at 13 to replace Hall and Howarth at 16 replacing Stead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Looks like Haines is riding at 13 to replace Hall and Howarth at 16 replacing Stead. Indeed and Jason Garrity and Kyle Newman are the new reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 In what way is the racecard you provide innovative? It's not, but it would be better if it was better presented by having a column for the cumulative totals after heats 8, 12, 16, and 20. This would do away with the need for so much wasted space on the right hand side with the "accumulative" (sic) totals. If you get rid of the pointless right hand side and add columns for cumulative totals every 4 heats, (i.e. so it looks exactly like the GP one in the Speedway Star) the whole thing could be made bigger to fill an A4 page and would be much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 It's not, but it would be better if it was better presented by having a column for the cumulative totals after heats 8, 12, 16, and 20. This would do away with the need for so much wasted space on the right hand side with the "accumulative" (sic) totals. If you get rid of the pointless right hand side and add columns for cumulative totals every 4 heats, (i.e. so it looks exactly like the GP one in the Speedway Star) the whole thing could be made bigger to fill an A4 page and would be much better. I am not decrying the Racecard - just intrigued at its possibilities. I take it that if one does not attend the meeting the thrill is in completing it from what appears on the excellent Speedway Updates site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 I am not decrying the Racecard - just intrigued at its possibilities. I take it that if one does not attend the meeting the thrill is in completing it from what appears on the excellent Speedway Updates site? The British Final is on TV tonight. So you can watch it on TV and fill in your programme exactly as you would do if you were at the meeting. The Speedway Star have always printed a very good one for the GPs, but this year they have shrunk them to the point where they are next to useless. However the Star don't do one for the British Final or televised league matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 It's not, but it would be better if it was better presented by having a column for the cumulative totals after heats 8, 12, 16, and 20. This would do away with the need for so much wasted space on the right hand side with the "accumulative" (sic) totals. If you get rid of the pointless right hand side and add columns for cumulative totals every 4 heats, (i.e. so it looks exactly like the GP one in the Speedway Star) the whole thing could be made bigger to fill an A4 page and would be much better. Is this what you mean? https://www.dropbox.com/s/wpkamt1vj9vuazq/British%20Final.pdf?m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Is this what you mean? https://www.dropbox....ish Final.pdf?m Yes. That one is much better. the best of the lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Im still not seeing the innovation. Ah well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Im still not seeing the innovation. Ah well. You may find that innovative is just a fancy word for 'nicely coloured in' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 I can't believe the fuss that he makes over a RACECARD? FFS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Garrity replaces Robson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 (edited) It's not, but it would be better if it was better presented by having a column for the cumulative totals after heats 8, 12, 16, and 20. This would do away with the need for so much wasted space on the right hand side with the "accumulative" (sic) totals. If you get rid of the pointless right hand side and add columns for cumulative totals every 4 heats, (i.e. so it looks exactly like the GP one in the Speedway Star) the whole thing could be made bigger to fill an A4 page and would be much better. OK quickie responses seeing it a post not laden with abuse lol. First of all a trivial point to be addressed. Accumulate: verb acquire an increasing number of (points in this case). A few points regard the 'excellent' right-hand side layout. As i say whatever appeals to each person regards layout is fine. I designed mine the way i did because i feel that the ones that add (usually intermittent and not after every four heats) the running totals can be confusing and take time to comprehend, Especially when riders are scoring low points, whilst glancing at the chart a riders total can look like a heat score. With the MiniMax DUAL GRID racecard there is no mental arithmetic needed you merely look down at your racecard and every rider's current score is staring you in the face. No looking back across a line and adding up each race, even those with intermittent totals require adding recent races, and then do the same for the other 15 riders and try and remember all 16!!! MiniMax DUAL GRID = one look down and see all riders totals at a glance. In the type of cards you refer to when looking along a line of a rider's scores there is no flow, you have to keep disregarding cells containing numbers. It's like driving on a road full of potholes and having to drive around them, whilst the MiniMax DUAL GRID is an uninterrupted smooth ride with not a single diversion. Again no biggie and it's all personal taste but i truly think the ones with intermittent totals are absolutely awful. Oh My Goodness! lol lol, are you serious for even one second referring to 'pointless' and 'wasted space'. Let's be quite clear the strongest feature of the right-hand side layout is the fact that after every single race of the meeting you can instantly glance down, and even if riders have had a different number of races, see the whole standings. No waiting until a round of four heats have passed which is a pretty poor way of doing things in the final round of races. I can assure you it works brilliantly all during the meeting. Why go adding up line upon line of riders scores when you can simply look down at all of the running scores one on top of the other? I normally always stress that i design mine, like others design theirs as to what they think works best. Those who agree or disagree with the various formats download according to their tastes. I never boast and brag about anything in my daily life, however, i have no qualms or embarrassment in stating that the DUAL GRID is a fantastic format and it works brilliant throughout the meeting. In light of what i've pointed out above i would ask you to try and defend your untenable comments of 'pointless' and 'wasted space' No arguments here or annoyance i'm just very intrigued/puzzled as to how you come to such an opinion. Anyway are we even getting a meeting tonight, we just had a thunderstorm here in Manchester so hope it's not heading for Wolverhampton! Awwww talk about raining on someone's parade it's thunder storming on Man United's trophy parade today lol. I can't believe the fuss that he makes over a RACECARD? FFS Lol Lol Lol sorry Jacques, although absolutely no fuss here, i'm all calm and don't see many actually creating an uproar lol. I would of gladly just listed the card was available (without having to head off the usual clique by issuing a preamble) and hope others would do the same. Anyways, i think everyone on this site is bored to death with the talk around racecards so hopefully we can move on. Garrity replaces Robson. Gee my fingers are all typed out. And who replaces Garrity! Wassup with Robson? As mentioned earlier the British Final seems a shocker for late changes most years. Edited May 13, 2013 by manchesterpaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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