krompa Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Patryk is doing some steady progress. Good gater and I'm surprised how well he scores in Elitserien. But there is one thing he needs to be world class rider. He needs 2-3 seasons in Elite League to learn different tracks and setups. Without that experience I'm afraid he can be another wasted Polish talent. Will he be lazy and just happy racing Poland and Sweden like most young Poles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Patryk is doing some steady progress. Good gater and I'm surprised how well he scores in Elitserien. But there is one thing he needs to be world class rider. He needs 2-3 seasons in Elite League to learn different tracks and setups. Without that experience I'm afraid he can be another wasted Polish talent. Will he be lazy and just happy racing Poland and Sweden like most young Poles? Interesting to read that you think a rider needs a few seasons in the EL. I didnt realise it was being lazy, just more than they didn't need it. TBH, Poland don't have too much to worry about with their juniors, look at what Sweden and GB have right now, not a lot in the 18-21 bracket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krompa Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 That's exactly my point. Poland year by year produce a lot of new talents. Mainly thanks to league rule that every team has to have 2 Polish U21 riders in match lineup (by the way can't believe Sweden dropped that rule and UK never even thought about it). But how many of them is close to GP standard when they grow up? Janowski U21 world champion decided to race full time in UK and I see bright future for him. Pawlicki brothers only had short careers in UK and with potential they have, few full seasons on British tracks could pull them to the higher standards. Not to mention wasted ones like Miskowiak, Hlib, Kujawa (U21 champ!). IMO the problem is that all Polish tracks are pretty much the same shape. You can't be world champion if you are not able to race on small technical tracks like Arena or Belle Vue. Look at Gollob. Fantastic motorcyclist. I believe if he spent more years in UK, he would have been multiple world champion. First years in GP he was all about going wide and wide on every track. The same problem you can point to some British riders. Kennett, Bridger are always good value on small, technical tracks but fail big time on wider tracks (Kennett yesterday and Bridger on Thursday will be perfect example). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawel115 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Krompa is spot on I tend to think the same the young polish guns need exposure on small difficult technical tracks I remember Gollob praising UK a while ago saying the variety of technical tracks helps in development of new riders and is necessary if they want to be good future riders. Lot of the young riders in Poland are great juniors and then they disappear into mediocrity or finish their racing days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I do agree with Krompa.Just how many great U21 riders have Poland had over the last decade or so and they go somehow astray when they move out of that age group.Look at Szombierski or at the moment with the SWC who remembers Marcin rempalas performance for Poland that should have been the start of a great career?Okoniewski was another super junior.Chrzanowski also got into the GPs quite early and done nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krompa Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Yeah, totally forgot about Marcin Rempala. One of my fav speedway races: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luluthetiger Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Marcin Rempala was a great favourite at Berwick, too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Dudek was set to sign for Poole last year but Zielon Gora blocked it as it was play-off time and he's a key part of their side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Marcin Rempala was a great favourite at Berwick, too. He was a class act another rider who seemed to get held back by his Polish Club.Still gets the odd decent score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I hear Lasse Bjerre confirmed as wildcard at Berwick so will just be him or a Brit as well ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 I hear Lasse Bjerre confirmed as wildcard at Berwick so will just be him or a Brit as well ? 2 wildcards I was convinced it would be 2 brit`s so probably will be same as Pila-Kyle Howarth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 He needs 2-3 seasons in Elite League to learn different tracks and setups. It makes sense when you read it. However, we've seen that Latvia with only one track to speak of is able to breed a new generation of riders who are capable of beating the best British riders who have spent their whole time in Britain, learning all the technical skills (apparently) and gaining lots of experience with setups and stuff (allegedly) Lets face facts, coming to GB to ride against low standard opposition, for low money and high hassle, no matter what the demands made of the tracks, just doesn't interest these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krompa Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Latvians are only good in slick conditions as it is always slick in Daugavpils. You can check for example Bogdanovs scores in Polish 1 Liga away from home. http://speedwayresults.com/rider.php?name=Maksim&surname=Bogdanov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyfivetoes Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 I hear Lasse Bjerre confirmed as wildcard at Berwick so will just be him or a Brit as well ? Are you sure about that? I was told the names of two British riders yesterday who had (allegedly) been nominated. Plus two British-licenced reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boobs Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Are you sure about that? I was told the names of two British riders yesterday who had (allegedly) been nominated. Plus two British-licenced reserves. Absolutely correct. I learned the names last night. Four Brits (sort of) and not a Bjerre in sight. Flagrag's post total mince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Shouldn`t think it`s a hanging offence if named-so can someone name them ?-Kyle Howarth will be one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Shouldn`t think it`s a hanging offence if named-so can someone name them ?-Kyle Howarth will be one. Rob Branford is clearly one of the reserves. Unless Nick Morris is still sort of British. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 It was the rider himself who said that he was in the meeting on Saturday so he must have got the info from FIM or DMU as Leicester have been granted a guest facility to replace him at Rye House. Sounds like plans may have changed unless another rider is missing through injury ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieE Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 It was the rider himself who said that he was in the meeting on Saturday so he must have got the info from FIM or DMU as Leicester have been granted a guest facility to replace him at Rye House. Sounds like plans may have changed unless another rider is missing through injury ? Replacing the injured Porsing perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luluthetiger Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Replacing the injured Porsing perhaps? That's probably the answer. I think the first poster's error was to name Bjerre as a wildcard (he clearly isn't). If a rider -- Porsing -- is unable to start, he is replaced by the next one down the pecking order from the non-qualifiers. With the meeting just over two weeks away, we'll no doubt learn the full line-up soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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