Grand Central Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 (edited) It is also interesting to see how this has all come about and the manner in which has been handled. Philip Rising had told us here that the BSPA had been informed of the change back in October 2012 and today's article quotes Paul Bellamy to confirm that. No one else involved, outside the BSI umbrella, says whether they agree with that timing or not. Both the BSPA and BSI confirm a letter from the BSPA requesting a continuation of the 2007-2012 arrangement; but neither say when this was finally formally declined. It is a matter of public record, however, that SCB chief Graham Reeve published the supplementary regulations for the British Semi Finals on April 15, 2013. These contained the paragraph that stated that the SGP wildcard place at Cardiff would be given to the highest placed rider, other than Tai, at the British Final. This is what 31 of the 32 riders believed at the Semis. The decision to give the wild card to Chris Harris was announced on Television last week; after the running of the Semi Finals. All riders, except Chris Harris, heard it for the first time here. Mr Reeve has subsequently issued amended details of the Supplementary regs for the British final. It's a funny old way to run a Sport at National level. It's just as odd to run an international Sport this way, too. Edited May 9, 2013 by Grand Central 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 It is also interesting to see how this has all come about and the manner in which has been handled. Philip Rising had told us here that the BSPA had been informed of the change back in October 2012 and today's article quotes Paul Bellamy to confirm that. No one else involved, outside the BSI umbrella, says whether they agree with that timing or not. Both the BSPA and BSI confirm a letter from the BSPA requesting a continuation of the 2007-2012 arrangement; but neither say when this was finally formally declined. It is a matter of public record, however, that SCB chief Graham Reeve published the supplementary regulations for the British Semi Finals on April 15, 2013. These contained the paragraph that stated that the SGP wildcard place at Cardiff would be given to the highest placed rider, other than Tai, at the British Final. This is what 31 of the 32 riders believed at the Semis. The decision to give the wild card to Chris Harris was announced on Television last week; after the running of the Semi Finals. All riders, except Chris Harris, heard it for the its time here. Mr Reeve has subsequently issued amended details of the Supplementary regs for the British final. It's a funny old way to run a Sport at National level. It's just as odd to run an international Sport this way, too. What a shambles. No wonder riders get fed up. Isn't it about time the sport was run properly, openly and with some integrity. It's so badly run no wonder it's going downhill fast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 THE anti-Harris brigade seem to forget his performances in the SWC last year (17 at King's Lynn, 11 in Malilla) ... and especially compared with any other Brit apart from Tai in the race-off. Sadly we don't have youngsters to compare with MJJ or Beck. With regard to the SCB regulations for the British Final ... would appear there was a lack of communication between the SCB and the BSPA despite them being housed in the same building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 With regard to the SCB regulations for the British Final ... would appear there was a lack of communication between the SCB and the BSPA despite them being housed in the same building. Thank god that's all sorted, then. I understand there is a certain lack of communication going on between Syria and Israel at the moment. Let's hope for a happy resolution of the misunderstanding in time for next week's Speedway Star. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 WRONG, wrong, wrong ... how can I change my name by the way? Had it for 67 years! well you did tell me to change mine phil. you can say what ever you believe but its fact. bsi are all about money and how much they can get in. they dont like spending there own and money talks if its a wild card or whatever. THE anti-Harris brigade seem to forget his performances in the SWC last year (17 at King's Lynn, 11 in Malilla) ... and especially compared with any other Brit apart from Tai in the race-off. Sadly we don't have youngsters to compare with MJJ or Beck. With regard to the SCB regulations for the British Final ... would appear there was a lack of communication between the SCB and the BSPA despite them being housed in the same building. we havnt forgot his good performances, certain people have however overlooked his terrible gp performances of late. had his chance many times over and is simply not good enought. give a younster the chance to experaince the gp like cook. why do you always seems to side with bsi or do we already know the answer ? THE anti-Harris brigade seem to forget his performances in the SWC last year (17 at King's Lynn, 11 in Malilla) ... and especially compared with any other Brit apart from Tai in the race-off. Sadly we don't have youngsters to compare with MJJ or Beck. With regard to the SCB regulations for the British Final ... would appear there was a lack of communication between the SCB and the BSPA despite them being housed in the same building. Ccould that be because the SCB and BSPA are both totally useless and made up of a collection of muppets on crack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 (edited) THE anti-Harris brigade seem to forget his performances in the SWC last year (17 at King's Lynn, 11 in Malilla) ... and especially compared with any other Brit apart from Tai in the race-off. So what? This is the SGP and we haven't forgotten he was absolute sh*te in the series last season (and the majority before that). Nor have we forgotten his constant whinging and the unprecedented number of chances he's had over the years. What you've used as an example is a team event that Harris publicly stated he didn't want to be a part of anymore (unless he got his own way AGAIN). In a way, I suppose he has got what he wanted with this sympathy pick for Cardiff, so I guess he'll be back in the World Cup side now. Like I said before, if Harris qualified via the British Final like every rider has had to in the past few years, I wouldn't have a problem. What does annoy me (and it seems a lot of other people) is the preferential treatment afforded to Harris, not just now, but over about 5 or 6 years. Is fairness too much to ask? What really worries me is if Harris fails to qualify for the GP Challenge at Poole, he'll be given a Wild Card for that. Then if he fails to qualify from that meeting, they'll seriously consider giving him back his full time spot for 2014, citing a half decent performance somewhere down the line. GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A CHANCE! JT. Edited May 9, 2013 by JT 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 The star seems to be rather packed with riders and officials who don't agree with what's happened here... I still can't understand why we're not giving this spot to younger riders that want it more! It's absolutely preposterous! As Pinstripe mentioned earlier, lets just hope Harris gets a big fat 0 and that will finally be the end of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 The star seems to be rather packed with riders and officials who don't agree with what's happened here... I still can't understand why we're not giving this spot to younger riders that want it more! It's absolutely preposterous! As Pinstripe mentioned earlier, lets just hope Harris gets a big fat 0 and that will finally be the end of it. What part of the wildcard process are you struggling with, there is nothing preposterous about it. Chris Harris is the rider the organisers along with the FIM want in the GP. It needs no more justifying than that. It is not about bringing on young kids who want it more. It really is that simple, bit like you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 What part of the wildcard process are you struggling with, there is nothing preposterous about it. Chris Harris is the rider the organisers along with the FIM want in the GP. It needs no more justifying than that. It is not about bringing on young kids who want it more. It really is that simple, bit like you Bit pathetic resorting to personal insults Oldace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) What part of the wildcard process are you struggling with, there is nothing preposterous about it. Chris Harris is the rider the organisers along with the FIM want in the GP. It needs no more justifying than that. It is not about bringing on young kids who want it more. It really is that simple, bit like you Mature response. If the organisers, along with the FIM (and Oldace) want it, I guess we should all stop discussing this topic. You may not agree, but I also find it preposterous that one rider, who has already had so many chances (and has been mediocre at best for a while now), has been given yet another opportunity on a plate, all because he threatened to veto BSI events going forward. Frankly I would have told him to piss off, he's not exactly Tomasz Gollob on the track and he's certainly no Bruce Penhall off it. In the Star I noticed BSI said Harris deserved his place "because of his six years in the GP series". Didn't the interviewer think of pointing out the majority of those six years were because of Wild Cards? Or is that too controversial? JT. Edited May 10, 2013 by JT 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Mature response. If the organisers, along with the FIM (and Oldace) want it, I guess we should all stop discussing this topic. You may not agree, but I also find it preposterous that one rider, who has already had so many chances (and has been mediocre at best for a while now), has been given yet another opportunity on a plate, all because he threatened to veto BSI events going forward. Frankly I would have told him to piss off, he's not exactly Tomasz Gollob on the track and he's certainly no Bruce Penhall off it. In the Star I noticed BSI said Harris deserved his place "because of his six years in the GP series". Didn't the interviewer think of pointing out the majority of those six years were because of Wild Cards? Or is that too controversial? JT. I don't disagree, if it were my choice I wouldn't have picked Harris. The point is that the wildcard isn't, and never was, a means to blood youngsters, enhance a nations riding strength or any of the other things we all might like it to be. It is purely the choice of the organiser. They want Harris in so there really is no case to answer. The notion that it is preposterous is nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) Not sure how many the inclusion of Harris will put on the gate, but I know of 2 that it has taken off it. Edited May 10, 2013 by PhilBrereton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 If C Harris does not earn the right in the British Final all the Brits attending Cardiff need to take Woofy banners. I am sure the majority of Brits can show their feelings during the meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) I don't disagree, if it were my choice I wouldn't have picked Harris. The point is that the wildcard isn't, and never was, a means to blood youngsters, enhance a nations riding strength or any of the other things we all might like it to be. It is purely the choice of the organiser. They want Harris in so there really is no case to answer. The notion that it is preposterous is nonsense. Fair point. I think my bugbear is with the constant charity afforded to one rider, not just in this instance, but on many other occasions, too. I do find it preposterous that BSI would favour one rider who, one GP win and a freakish season apart, has often been mediocre at best and seemingly ungrateful for his chances, constantly moaning in the press. It's unfair on other riders, but from other nationalities, who are more deserving than the great whiner. If C Harris does not earn the right in the British Final all the Brits attending Cardiff need to take Woofy banners. I am sure the majority of Brits can show their feelings during the meeting. Surely it's a far better dig if you take banners for the rider who would be at Cardiff, if they'd kept the old format? A few hundred British fans with Scott Nicholls masks for example would be an excellent, if brilliantly immature, dig at BSI. Watch Harris go and win the British Final now! JT. Edited May 10, 2013 by JT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) What part of the wildcard process are you struggling with, there is nothing preposterous about it. Chris Harris is the rider the organisers along with the FIM want in the GP. It needs no more justifying than that. It is not about bringing on young kids who want it more. It really is that simple, bit like you FIM, dont make me laugh. They dont want him in or care who is in. take ya head out of your a-s. Edited May 10, 2013 by The Know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Watch Harris go and win the British Final now! Stranger things have happened, but I'm pretty sure this year that's not going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 The wild card is not there to develop a nations riding talent, it is simply a means by which the organiser can seek to maximise his crowd potential. In the case of Cardiff, Gothenburg and Copenhagen BSI, as promoters, in conjunction with the FIM (in truth simply BSI) get to pick that rider. That is how it should be, those with there money on the line make that choice. FIM, dont make me laugh. They dont want him in or care who is in. take ya head out of your a-s. I know how the process works, I assumed anyone joining the debate would have read the thread through before wading in with their usual cobblers. My head is no where near my ass thank you very much, as for you, you seem very adept at talking through yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob tatum Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Did someone really say that because chris harris will be at cardiff then they won't ,well in the words of victor meldrew I DON'T BELIEVE IT. Reading all this bile about mr harris I can only presume he is a really unpleasant person and a stain on society. Well personally I am glad he is there and I hope he does well after all he is a brit and he gave me one of my fondest memories when he won the GP in 2007. Best of luck to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 He will be more competitive than most wild cards this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I know how the process works, I assumed anyone joining the debate would have read the thread through before wading in with their usual cobblers. My head is no where near my ass thank you very much, as for you, you seem very adept at talking through yours yep indeed ya another speedway fan who believes everything they hear lol.Does make me laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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