Belle Vue Aces Vs Poole Pirates 29/4/2013

[speedwaysliders]

Cant Belle Vue fine their 2 riders for missing their flights to the meeting,maybe they could fine them MORE then the fine they copped for calling the meeting off, so iinfact they might be quids in!!!!!!!!!?

[Skyjack2]

 

Actually Graham Reeve runs the SCB on a day-to-day basis alongside administrator Nikki Jameison under the chairmanship of Ted Bartlett.

The ACU and BSPA then nominate 2 members each to complete the board.

 

Graham may run the SCB on a day to day basis but the SCB's

published nomenclature/paperwork/regulations lists CVS

and Alex Harkess as members of the SCB board, both are

members of the BSPA. The ACU's published

nomenclature/paperwork/regulations state that it has no control

over the running of speedway in the UK and that speedway in the

UK is run solely under SCB regulations. The ACU regulates all

other forms of bike sport in the UK apart from events run by MCF.

If BV appeal they can appeal to the ACU and eventually the court

of arbitration for sport because that's the legal framework in place.

 

In 2012 Wolves effectively cancelled a BV meeting on Good Friday

because they didn't want to ride a track they claimed was too

wet/heavy and unsafe. Track Curator Tony Swales left BV and was

replaced by SCB Track Inspector Colin Meredith. Later in the year

FIM/SCB Referee Craig Ackroyd abandoned a televised meeting at

BV for similar reasons. At a point later again in the season Poole riders

complained about the BV track on Twitter after a meeting and a

Wolves rider stated that the upside of being injured meant he

didn't have to ride at BV.

 

This year BV cancelled a meeting with Poole shortly after 3pm

due to an area of the track on the exit of the 2nd bend being

waterlogged. Riders often lift there if it's too grippy. (Artur

Mroczka and Rory Schlein both picked up injuries as a result

of lifting there and crashing in 2012.) Poole riders then

posted pictures on Twitter taken from the opposite end of the stadium

to the area of the track affected, claiming the track was fine.

These Tweeted pictures were followed by a process where a

relatively inexperienced (in Elite League terms) local SCB referee

attended the track and took pictures and an inexperienced

(in local speedway) journalist contacted Poole rider Ryan Tuncliffe on Twitter

regarding his Tweeted picture and subsequently wrote a story

in the MEN.

 

Subsequently BV released a statement apologising for the

cancelation. An obvious PR requirement given they're at a crucial

stage in developing the National Speedway Stadium. BV mgmt

have spent 6 years working on a £10 million new stadium project

that's nearly shovel ready. To cheat at this stage would be utter

madness!

 

BV press officer and MEN journalist Richard Frost was on holiday

at the time and I'm no longer able to cover BV for the BBC as

I have done since 2005.

 

I haven't spoken to anyone from BV, as I'm no longer involved,

so I don't know the truth but there's clearly a lot at stake here and

I think the potential to lose the NSS and a European SGP in

Manchester means people need to consider their agendas, very

carefully.

 

Apologies for formatting.

 

Sent from my bed and my iPhone.

 

Kind regards

 

Luke Jameson

 

[hrhbig]

Graham may run the SCB on a day to day basis but the SCB's

published nomenclature/paperwork/regulations lists CVS

and Alex Harkess as members of the SCB board, both are

members of the BSPA. The ACU's published

nomenclature/paperwork/regulations state that it has no control

over the running of speedway in the UK and that speedway in the

UK is run solely under SCB regulations. The ACU regulates all

other forms of bike sport in the UK apart from events run by MCF.

If BV appeal they can appeal to the ACU and eventually the court

of arbitration for sport because that's the legal framework in place.

 

In 2012 Wolves effectively cancelled a BV meeting on Good Friday

because they didn't want to ride a track they claimed was too

wet/heavy and unsafe. Track Curator Tony Swales left BV and was

replaced by SCB Track Inspector Colin Meredith. Later in the year

FIM/SCB Referee Craig Ackroyd abandoned a televised meeting at

BV for similar reasons. At a point later again in the season Poole riders

complained about the BV track on Twitter after a meeting and a

Wolves rider stated that the upside of being injured meant he

didn't have to ride at BV.

 

This year BV cancelled a meeting with Poole shortly after 3pm

due to an area of the track on the exit of the 2nd bend being

waterlogged. Riders often lift there if it's too grippy. (Artur

Mroczka and Rory Schlein both picked up injuries as a result

of lifting there and crashing in 2012.) Poole riders then

posted pictures on Twitter taken from the opposite end of the stadium

to the area of the track affected, claiming the track was fine.

These Tweeted pictures were followed by a process where a

relatively inexperienced (in Elite League terms) local SCB referee

attended the track and took pictures and an inexperienced

(in local speedway) journalist contacted Poole rider Ryan Tuncliffe on Twitter

regarding his Tweeted picture and subsequently wrote a story

in the MEN.

 

Subsequently BV released a statement apologising for the

cancelation. An obvious PR requirement given they're at a crucial

stage in developing the National Speedway Stadium. BV mgmt

have spent 6 years working on a £10 million new stadium project

that's nearly shovel ready. To cheat at this stage would be utter

madness!

 

BV press officer and MEN journalist Richard Frost was on holiday

at the time and I'm no longer able to cover BV for the BBC as

I have done since 2005.

 

I haven't spoken to anyone from BV, as I'm no longer involved,

so I don't know the truth but there's clearly a lot at stake here and

I think the potential to lose the NSS and a European SGP in

Manchester means people need to consider their agendas, very

carefully.

 

Apologies for formatting.

 

Sent from my bed and my iPhone.

 

Kind regards

 

Luke Jameson

After composing that piece, which in its self must of taken a while, why did you not check the names of people/riders, and the spelling of . Does the Ipad not have spell check, it certainly does not have a "reality" check

[Skyjack2]

After composing that piece, which in its self must of taken a while, why did you not check the names of people/riders, and the spelling of . Does the Ipad not have spell check, it certainly does not have a "reality" check

 

I did check my spelling but I'm statemented dyslexic/dyspraxic and

sometimes don't see what's spelt incorrectly. I said I wrote it

on an iPhone. Mistakes are easily made and easily forgiven.

 

To the best of my knowledge what I wrote is a fair reflection

of reality. BV posted pics of the 2nd bend and Poole riders

posted pics taken from the 4th bend terraces. A vantage point

at the opposite end of the stadium from the pits that doesn't

show the 2nd bend in the photos.

 

In addition to appologising for formatting, I also apologise for

any ofense caused by spelling errors. I'm guessing I spelt Ryan's

surname incorrectly as I'm not familiar with him, given it was

his first trip to KL, as far as I recall.

 

Cheers

 

Luke

[Fourentee]

In 2012 Wolves effectively cancelled a BV meeting on Good Friday

because they didn't want to ride a track they claimed was too

wet/heavy and unsafe.

An interesting take. The track was an absolute quagmire, David Gordon admitted it was a disgrace and the match was abandoned by the referee after consultation with both sides following three races.

[SteveLyric2]

I did check my spelling but I'm statemented dyslexic/dyspraxic and

sometimes don't see what's spelt incorrectly. I said I wrote it

on an iPhone. Mistakes are easily made and easily forgiven.

 

To the best of my knowledge what I wrote is a fair reflection

of reality. BV posted pics of the 2nd bend and Poole riders

posted pics taken from the 4th bend terraces. A vantage point

at the opposite end of the stadium from the pits that doesn't

show the 2nd bend in the photos.

 

In addition to appologising for formatting, I also apologise for

any ofense caused by spelling errors. I'm guessing I spelt Ryan's

surname incorrectly as I'm not familiar with him, given it was

his first trip to KL, as far as I recall.

 

Cheers

 

Luke

No mention of riders missing flights then?! I thought all journos (professionals and volunteers) were supposed to check and double-check their 'facts'!!? By the way, I really rate that Ryan Tuncliffe!!!!!!

Edited May 16, 2013 by Skidder1

[jimmy jimmy]

The journalist informs us of what he did and why, and now he gets attacked by the forum warriors out for blood, who of course know all the facts as they were tweeted by Chris Holder from miles away.

 

Maye it isn't speedway in terminal decline, just this forum.

[BWitcher]

Graham may run the SCB on a day to day basis but the SCB's

published nomenclature/paperwork/regulations lists CVS

and Alex Harkess as members of the SCB board, both are

members of the BSPA. The ACU's published

nomenclature/paperwork/regulations state that it has no control

over the running of speedway in the UK and that speedway in the

UK is run solely under SCB regulations. The ACU regulates all

other forms of bike sport in the UK apart from events run by MCF.

If BV appeal they can appeal to the ACU and eventually the court

of arbitration for sport because that's the legal framework in place.

 

In 2012 Wolves effectively cancelled a BV meeting on Good Friday

because they didn't want to ride a track they claimed was too

wet/heavy and unsafe. Track Curator Tony Swales left BV and was

replaced by SCB Track Inspector Colin Meredith. Later in the year

FIM/SCB Referee Craig Ackroyd abandoned a televised meeting at

BV for similar reasons. At a point later again in the season Poole riders

complained about the BV track on Twitter after a meeting and a

Wolves rider stated that the upside of being injured meant he

didn't have to ride at BV.

 

This year BV cancelled a meeting with Poole shortly after 3pm

due to an area of the track on the exit of the 2nd bend being

waterlogged. Riders often lift there if it's too grippy. (Artur

Mroczka and Rory Schlein both picked up injuries as a result

of lifting there and crashing in 2012.) Poole riders then

posted pictures on Twitter taken from the opposite end of the stadium

to the area of the track affected, claiming the track was fine.

These Tweeted pictures were followed by a process where a

relatively inexperienced (in Elite League terms) local SCB referee

attended the track and took pictures and an inexperienced

(in local speedway) journalist contacted Poole rider Ryan Tuncliffe on Twitter

regarding his Tweeted picture and subsequently wrote a story

in the MEN.

 

Subsequently BV released a statement apologising for the

cancelation. An obvious PR requirement given they're at a crucial

stage in developing the National Speedway Stadium. BV mgmt

have spent 6 years working on a £10 million new stadium project

that's nearly shovel ready. To cheat at this stage would be utter

madness!

 

BV press officer and MEN journalist Richard Frost was on holiday

at the time and I'm no longer able to cover BV for the BBC as

I have done since 2005.

 

I haven't spoken to anyone from BV, as I'm no longer involved,

so I don't know the truth but there's clearly a lot at stake here and

I think the potential to lose the NSS and a European SGP in

Manchester means people need to consider their agendas, very

carefully.

 

Apologies for formatting.

 

Sent from my bed and my iPhone.

 

Kind regards

 

Luke Jameson

 

Thanks for that attempted defence of the Belle Vue promotion.

 

All you have done is remind us of just a few of the shambolic events that the promotion have been involved in of recent years. To suggest the infamous Good Friday meeting was 'effectively' cancelled by Wolves is ridiculous. The track was an utter disgrace. Belle Vue admitted this and sacked their track curator as a result. I hardly think they would do this if it 'wasn't their fault'.

 

Now we are expected to believe the Belle Vue defence is that ' a relatively inexperienced' (in Elite League terms) referee looked at the track? Maybe you would care to explain us the difference between a Premier League track and an Elite League one. I wasn't aware this caused a big issue.

 

The meeting was postponed due to an alleged water pipe/mains bursting. Which was it? Who repaired it? If it was a mains burst surely the water company would have a record of it? Have Belle Vue been able to provide any of this information? It seems highly doubtful that they have for the SCB to reach the conclusion they have.

 

The proposed 'National Stadium' should have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the ruling made by the SCB. To suggest otherwise is to suggest the SCB can be bribed.

 

The journalist informs us of what he did and why, and now he gets attacked by the forum warriors out for blood, who of course know all the facts as they were tweeted by Chris Holder from miles away.

 

Maye it isn't speedway in terminal decline, just this forum.

 

The journalist wants the SCB to make a corrupt decision. He hasn't given us any facts, just veiled accusations that everything that goes wrong at Belle Vue isn't their fault. Always the victims.

 

If you really believe the SCB based their judgement on Chris Holders tweets then you are deluded.

Edited May 16, 2013 by BWitcher

[stevebrum]

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In 2012 Wolves effectively cancelled a BV meeting on Good Friday

because they didn't want to ride a track they claimed was too

wet/heavy and unsafe.

 

 

 

Kind regards

 

Luke Jameson

 

:rofl:

April 1st has passed.

[Guest]

If the Aces ran with 2 juniors would they not be fined for fielding an understrength team

 

An understrength team is usually when the best available riders are deliberately left out of a match not what is available at the time a match taking place. If the team produced is all that is available that is permissable. It can also mean only having riders available for a seven rider squad.

[Fourentee]

An understrength team is usually when the best available riders are deliberately left out of a match not what is available at the time a match taking place. If the team produced is all that is available that is permissable. It can also mean only having riders available for a seven rider squad.

You might want to turn the irony filter off now.

[Guest]

THE Speedway Control Bureau has issued a statement regarding the postponed Belle Vue v Poole Elite League match on Monday, April 29.

 

The SCB Disciplinary Hearing: Tuesday 14th May 2013.

 

Sky Sports Elite League: Belle Vue v Poole (29th April 2013)

 

Following the early afternoon postponement of the Speedway Meeting scheduled for Monday 29th April at Belle Vue versus Poole the SCB Launched an immediate inquiry.

 

The findings of this enquiry and subsequently admission by the Belle Vue Promotion led to a Disciplinary Hearing being held yesterday at the offices of the Auto Cycle Union in Rugby.

 

The SCB Members afforded Messrs Gordon & Morton the opportunity to address them before deliberating on the disciplinary outcome.

 

The SCB Members took into account many factors before laying down the following:

 

- The Meeting between Belle Vue and Poole is to be re-staged

 

- Belle Vue Speedway were fined £5000

 

- Belle Vue will have 3 League Points deducted

 

- Until the end of the 2014 Season Belle Vue will not be permitted to cancel a Meeting without an SCB Referee or an SCB nominee making an inspection and authorising a cancellation

 

The SCB decided that the Club responsible should receive a penalty, but that no other club should benefit.

 

Furthermore the SCB believes this will give the public confidence for the future.

 

Belle Vue were informed of the SCB findings by mail this morning and now have to digest the decisions. Belle Vue have the opportunity to appeal to the Auto Cycle Union should they so wish.

 

Issued: Wednesday, 15 May 2013 for immediate release

 

It's always well to remember that an appeal can also result in an increase in a penalty. That would cause a major stir but worth bearing in mind.

[Skyjack2]

Thanks for that attempted defence of the Belle Vue promotion.

 

All you have done is remind us of just a few of the shambolic events that the promotion have been involved in of recent years. To suggest the infamous Good Friday meeting was 'effectively' cancelled by Wolves is ridiculous. The track was an utter disgrace. Belle Vue admitted this and sacked their track curator as a result. I hardly think they would do this if it 'wasn't their fault'.

 

Now we are expected to believe the Belle Vue defence is that ' a relatively inexperienced' (in Elite League terms) referee looked at the track? Maybe you would care to explain us the difference between a Premier League track and an Elite League one. I wasn't aware this caused a big issue.

 

The meeting was postponed due to an alleged water pipe/mains bursting. Which was it? Who repaired it? If it was a mains burst surely the water company would have a record of it? Have Belle Vue been able to provide any of this information? It seems highly doubtful that they have for the SCB to reach the conclusion they have.

 

The proposed 'National Stadium' should have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the ruling made by the SCB. To suggest otherwise is to suggest the SCB can be bribed.

 

 

 

The journalist wants the SCB to make a corrupt decision. He hasn't given us any facts, just veiled accusations that everything that goes wrong at Belle Vue isn't their fault. Always the victims.

 

If you really believe the SCB based their judgement on Chris Holders tweets then you are deluded.

 

LOL

 

Apologies to Rohan Tungate. A whistle stop trip to Amsterdam yesterday for the footy appears to have lead to me getting him completely mixed up with Ryan Tunnicliffe, who plays for Manchester United and then using a made up name.

 

Sorry Rohan, I am a '....' insert appropriate label of choice...

 

I'm not defending BV and I'm not saying Wolves were wrong to say they didn't want to ride the track on Good Friday 2012. My understanding was that the BV riders were willing to give it a go in front of a bumper crowd and understandably Wolves weren't keen. The track had been over watered late to keep the dust down and it didn't dry as quickly as expected.

 

I'm not saying Poole were wrong to be annoyed that their meeting at BV was cancelled in circumstances they thought were dubious. Especially after they had been fined for a rider missing a flight and them tracking an under strength side.

 

The referee the SCB sent hasn't refereed many, if any Elite League matches at BV and is therefore less familiar with recent local 'local' issues like the drive off the 2nd bend catching riders out. I know him quite well but haven't seen him at BV for a year or so. The track's been relayed since he did his SCB referee training their a few years ago. He's a good bloke and I like him.

 

I think Tony Swales resigned because he was upset by the circumstances of the Good Friday cancellation and it wasn't worth the further upset for him to carry on. He's a very nice bloke. I may have got that wrong, the bit about him resigning, not about him being a nice bloke.

 

Noddy and 'Rohan' Tweeted photos taken from the opposite end of the BV track to to where the stated problem was. That's a fact.

 

Why didn't they just take photos of the 2nd bend from the pits gate and say we've had it worse than that when we've been before?

 

That's a serious question, that deserves consideration. They took photos from a vantage point that didn't show the 2nd bend. It took them 5 minutes to walk there and 5 minutes to walk back. Why bother when the 2nd bend is right next to the pit gate?

 

Given recent complaints about the BV track if the water pipe leak was genuine, which the BV Tweeted pics showed at the time, it's not surprising BV didn't look a gift horse in the mouth if they had other problems. The fact remains the visiting team had previously complained about the track at BV being of a poor standard, so if there was a problem with the track it makes sense to cancel and re-stage the meeting.

 

If Poole hadn't requested an investigation then there wouldn't be a problem.

 

Chinese whispers soon turns a leaking pipe in to a burst water main.

 

As for riders missing flights I don't know. Matej Zagar eventually ended up in a Manchester Airport hotel at about 21:00 according to his Twitter feed.

 

Based on Poole's response I doubt they'd have voluntarily agreed to postpone the meeting under the circumstances. Until BV's points were deducted yesterday they were ahead of Poole having had 3 matches less.

 

The Elite League table will show BV have been deducted 3 points for the entire season. That's not great PR when they're trying to get a new stadium built. The SCB said they didn't want to give other teams an advantage but did exactly that by giving BV a points deduction that is highlighted on the Elite League table with an asterisk to brand the aces for their shame.

 

The SCB is rarely open about it's decision making process and there are lots of strange goings on behind the scenes, as there are with other sports and businesses.

 

I don't think any members of the FA board have an interest in any football clubs though. CVS and Alex Harkess do, as far as I'm aware and they're also on the SCB board, as far as I'm aware.

 

If a problem with the track on the starting gate at Poole caused a meeting to be postponed, posting a picture on Twitter of the back straight saying the track's fine wouldn't be helpful, so why do it?

 

Perhaps because you have your own agenda.

 

It was a sunny day at BV which clouded over a little later but even close up pictures of the second bend wouldn't show how soft the track was if there was a localised problem from a water leak and the top surface layer dried. So, the SCB's decision is based on the testimony of the attending local referee, evidence in the form of any pictures he took and the BV management's statements to the enquiry. Also perhaps statements from any Poole officials if they lodged a complain which they must have done to trigger an SCB enquiry.

 

I've stood on the 2nd bend at BV when it's been bone dry and the 3rd bend has been spongy on the way in because the water table at that end is lower. There are stand pipe connections at BV often used by John Perrin for watering with a hose pipe, as he preferred that to a water bowser. If one of those leaked under pressure it could easily give you a local flood, that affected only a small area of the track, so BV may have been telling the truth.

 

I haven't asked because I'm not involved at BV any more, which is why I felt able to post on the forum for the first time in a long time.

 

Nothing much has changed, apart from BV being on the cusp of a shovel ready new stadium project.

 

It might be another example of some clubs being more equal than others in terms of influence with the SCB, then again BV may have been stupid enough to risk 6 years of hard work, a £10 million stadium development and their hard earned reputation with the local council and New East Manchester Ltd (the local area development company) for 3 Elite League points.

 

I guess anything is possible... it is speedway after all.

 

Here's hoping they all live happily ever after.

 

Fingers Crossed.

[speedwaysliders]

Was there a burst water pipe at Belle vue in the first place or was it staged because Zagar and Zorro were not going to be there?

[Guest]

Was there a burst water pipe at Belle vue in the first place or was it staged because Zagar and Zorro were not going to be there?

 

Any chance that somebody let a dog loose in the stadium and it wandered on to the track area?

[williamfj]

How unprofessional of the Aces management, they could have at least parked the water tank over the chosen spot and leave the taps open for a bit!

[freddyfivetoes]

Well done SCB

 

I think the SCB have got everything g right but it means there will be a few late call offs waiting for the ref to inspect the track. This will put off away fans

 

This ruling also floats a warning balloon to any other promoter who might think of having a "sun-off" when he feels a weak team coming on........

 

Long over due.

[BWitcher]

Skyjack, give it a rest. You are simply heaping further embarassment onto the club.

 

The referee sent there was qualified. Your attempts to slander him are out of place and ill considered. Why not use your journalistic skills to go ask the Belle Vue promoters some hard questions.. such as was there a water pipe leak or not?

 

Do you seriously think a 'tweet' from Zagar is evidence that he was in the country? I can go tweet now that I am relaxing on a beach in Australia, or that I'm on the moon, or sailing around the world.. means absolutely nothing.

[Fourentee]

Was there a burst water pipe at Belle vue in the first place or was it staged because Zagar and Zorro were not going to be there?

From Belle Vue official site:

Tonight's Elite League match against Poole was postponed due to a leaking water main and water pipe under the track.

Edited May 16, 2013 by Fourentee

[Agrotron]

I feel this is a reasonable punishment for this and can't see what BV are set to gain from an appeal, many Poole fans lost a lot of money and some even booked accommodation etc etc and in this current economical climate its just not on.

 

They should be made to pay the fine in full in 5 working days imo