orion Posted May 4, 2013 Report Share Posted May 4, 2013 It is a total nonsense to suggest that the points should be given to Poole! This would also penalise the other league teams who had no involvement in this debacle. If found guilty by the SCB (no not the poster of that name) then the promotion at Belle Vue should suffer a severe financial penalty. This results in the correct people being punished & not the Belle Vue fans, who had no part in the decision. Any Poole fans, who can prove that they travelled to the meeting, should have any reasonable costs re-imbursed from the fine that the promotion suffer! But if the meeting was run as it should of Poole would have won surely that was the whole point of calling the match off hence why Poole should get the points ....if you re run the match then Belle Vue will have done what they set out to do . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 4, 2013 Report Share Posted May 4, 2013 (edited) Well I know what the C stands for now. Belle Vue postponed the meeting in accordance with the rules. End of! That is unless you are going to come with another gem that you didn't mention when I asked what the rules were regarding postponements. Lol! So you ask what the rules are regarding postponements, I post them, they show BV are wrong but you ignore all the evidence and claim BV are right. Yet you call other cretins. Just how are BV right here and how is what they did in accordance with the rules? The rules say they can only postpone if racing is impossible. Was racing impossible? Even after they left the hose on the 2nd bend for 20 minutes? Edited May 4, 2013 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted May 4, 2013 Report Share Posted May 4, 2013 (edited) The Speedway Regulations also includes this duty on a promoter:- "take all necessary steps to safeguard, at all times, the interests and welfare of all Riders, Officials and Spectators during a Meeting, being responsible to maintain good order throughout the Stadium and its environs and in the event of a serious disturbance to notify the SCB immediately of plans to avoid a repeat". So the responsibility to maintain the stadium and not to have burst water mains of flood the track by other means still rests on the promotion. So as far as us cretins are concerned it looks like BV are banged to rights. Edited May 4, 2013 by E I Addio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 4, 2013 Report Share Posted May 4, 2013 (edited) Yep, the meeting was postponed 'for the right reasons' therefore it must mean racing was impossible, comprende? The statement explains it all and there is even an admission that it turned out to be the wrong decision. Oh dear, never mind, move on. Fair enough. If you think choosing to turn the hose pipe on for 30 minutes to "flood" a bit of the track means that BV have stuck to the rules then I'm happy for you. Edited May 4, 2013 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 So you ask what the rules are regarding postponements, I post them, they show BV are wrong but you ignore all the evidence and claim BV are right. Yet you call other cretins. Just how are BV right here and how is what they did in accordance with the rules? The rules say they can only postpone if racing is impossible. Was racing impossible? Even after they left the hose on the 2nd bend for 20 minutes? What on earth are you doing trying to engage in a debate with this DAC wally. Has he not demonstrated time and again sub normal intelligence and no grasp of reality, happy to believe everything fed to him by Morton and Gordon. Fortunately he is in a minority and even the other usual suspects have either remained quiet or condemned what went on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 I'm surprised this is still being debated - BV were in the wrong, they admitted it (their confession) and are awaiting their punishment from the SCB tribunal - end of! Time to move on.... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 I'm surprised this is still being debated - BV were in the wrong, they admitted it (their confession) and are awaiting their punishment from the SCB tribunal - end of! Time to move on.... Totally agree its getting very boring now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 (edited) FAO SCB: Never wrestle a pig. You'll both get dirty, but the pig will like it. Edited May 5, 2013 by Nellie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 When the promotion stated it was the wrong decision to postpone that tells us racing was possible otherwise it couldnt have been the wrong decision could it? Other tracks have pulled similar stunts without punishment, in the past BV have appeared to be on the wrong end of some official decisions especally in the john perrin era which could have been retaliation to his outspoken attitude. In this case i can understand the promotion not wanting to run with half a side, they would no doubt be thinking it could damage the club fans turning up and being faced with a side half full of juniors, but by taking the postponement route they have also damaged the club in the eyes of the speedway world. Poole were just lucky to be due when we didnt have a competetive team. At least this saga should put an end once and for all to these shennanigans within the sport, unless BV can provide proof of united utilities digging up said pipe and carrying out a repair deduct us points or fine us and lets get on with the season. Whatever the rights and wrongs it dosent show the sport in a professional light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 TBH I don't see how any belle Vue fan can defend this????????? I'm a loyal a they come but when your in the wrong. YOUR IN THE WRONG. end of I'm a season ticket holder and if Poole are gifted the 4 points and don't have to return. "Which is every possibility" I'm left out of pocket because of a stupid decision by the management. And we're deprived of seeing the turbo twins at Kirky lane which is a highlight of the season for most at all tracks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 So you ask what the rules are regarding postponements, I post them, they show BV are wrong but you ignore all the evidence and claim BV are right. Yet you call other cretins. Just how are BV right here and how is what they did in accordance with the rules? The rules say they can only postpone if racing is impossible. Was racing impossible? Even after they left the hose on the 2nd bend for 20 minutes? SCB, its pointless engaging with this guy, he really has 'dropped a few cogs'. He's been exposed on numerous threads where having been shown to be wrong, rather than manning up and admitting it he continues to dig. I think he either thinks he is being amusing or does it for kicks because he believes he is winding people up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 TBH I don't see how any belle Vue fan can defend this????????? I'm a loyal a they come but when your in the wrong. YOUR IN THE WRONG. end of I'm a season ticket holder and if Poole are gifted the 4 points and don't have to return. "Which is every possibility" I'm left out of pocket because of a stupid decision by the management. And we're deprived of seeing the turbo twins at Kirky lane which is a highlight of the season for most at all tracks That seems to be the main difficulty in working out a punishment that hurts the promotion but doesn't hurt the fans. If the match is re-staged with a full squad the BV promotion have achieved what they set out to do, if the match is awarded to Poole its the genuine BV fans that suffer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 TBH I don't see how any belle Vue fan can defend this????????? I'm a loyal a they come but when your in the wrong. YOUR IN THE WRONG. end of I'm a season ticket holder and if Poole are gifted the 4 points and don't have to return. "Which is every possibility" I'm left out of pocket because of a stupid decision by the management. And we're deprived of seeing the turbo twins at Kirky lane which is a highlight of the season for most at all tracks I thing the BV fans that are defending this situation are condoning this behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 That seems to be the main difficulty in working out a punishment that hurts the promotion but doesn't hurt the fans. If the match is re-staged with a full squad the BV promotion have achieved what they set out to do, if the match is awarded to Poole its the genuine BV fans that suffer. Maybe the BV promotion should have considered this in the first place. Give Poole the 4 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Maybe the BV promotion should have considered this in the first place. Give Poole the 4 points. Maybe they should, but they didn't. What happened is not the BV fans fault. Ultimately we are all fans and we all like our speedway so to that extent most of us are on the fans side and I would like to think that Gordon and Morten will do something to make it up to those who go through the turnstiles. I will be surprised if they do though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Yawn. Meanwhile back on Planet Earth, the SCB had announced they had substantial evidence... and it was only AFTER this that the Belle Vue 'apology' surfaced. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 (edited) This isn't the first time a meeting has been postponed in accordance with the rules and subsequently the decision to postpone has been shown to be in error. The SCB will have investigated previous postponements and therefore there will be a precedent for appropriate sanctions. It is to their credit that Dave Gordon and Chris Morton MBE have admitted to making 'an error of judgement in the heat of the moment' no doubt that and any precedent will be taken into account by the SCB when considering what the appropriate sanction, if any, should be imposed. Making decisions based on conjecture, random statements or 'tweets' from questionable sources, no matter how compelling, should never be relied upon unless there is incontrovertible evidence that a deliberate fraud has occurred. That's how we do it in the civilised world, the days of the lynch mob or the ducking stool type of justice are only still appropriate in the minds of backward morons. Throw the book at them (or at drop a cog)! Bang to rights I say (and for all the decent BV fans -sorry)! The BV promotion accepted the error of their ways and await their punishment but one blinkered fan believes nothing untoward took place Edited May 5, 2013 by Steve0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Well I know what the C stands for now. Belle Vue postponed the meeting in accordance with the rules. End of! That is unless you are going to come with another gem that you didn't mention when I asked what the rules were regarding postponements. Lol! Belle Vue postponed the meeting in accordance with the SCB rule posted on this thread. There is no 'should of' about it. I don't know the rules regarding postponements, that's why I asked, so it is possible the cretin might reveal more but I doubt it. The only way this can go against Belle Vue is if they confess. I watched Zero Dark Thirty so there are techniques which may secure the confession, failing that send then to Dubai where they alledgely do all sorts of things to nether regions with electrodes (the sort of thing the SCB may be able to elaborate on) and guns to the head to elicit confessions in Arabic which might do the trick. The fact is Belle Vue have acted within the rules, No, not in that way :-( Im glad you believe that...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 He doesn't most likely. If you look elsewhere on the thread you'll find posts from him saying something different. It's how he works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROCK Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Lets turn this around. What do you think would have happened if the Poole promotion informed BV at 3-30 on the day of the meeting, that we were using RR for Janowski because he was injured, and Holder and Ward had missed their flights so would not be able to ride. Do you think in the interests of speedway and giving the BV fans value for money they would have called the meeting off? Or would they have thought, tough on Poole but this will be an easy win. I think the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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