SteveLyric2 Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Grade are just averages of averages. It makes no difference, if you only have room for a grade 4 rider but the rider available is a grade 5 it still won't fit any better than if you have 8.5 and the replacement is 8.51. You are entitled to your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 , reimburse us for our flights and travel, or give us the four points.” What a load of crap, as I posted on Monday the only people I feel sorry for are the Poole fans who travelled up and they should be refunded travelling costs & hotel to those that stayed. It is Poole that pay for riders flights not Holder and what difference did it make, he had to be over here for Wednesday anyway as Sweden not started yet so he got to spend an extra evening with his partner & kid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 (edited) What a load of crap, as I posted on Monday the only people I feel sorry for are the Poole fans who travelled up and they should be refunded travelling costs & hotel to those that stayed. It is Poole that pay for riders flights not Holder and what difference did it make, he had to be over here for Wednesday anyway as Sweden not started yet so he got to spend an extra evening with his partner & kid. He was in Sweden Tuesday for P&P. he drow straight to stanstead from near manchester Edited May 3, 2013 by Phil The Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Cat from Mars Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 If I could be Devil's Advocate for a second and avoid the slurry of mud being thrown the Aces way from all directions - doesn't this episode suggest that we need to put measures in place to prevent this kind of situation happening again? 1/ The oft suggested squad system would seem a good solution. If you have riders missing, simply replace them with riders from your existing squad? 2/ If a team is missing riders due to missed flights etc, isn't it better to postpone the meeting (with both team's consent) and race the meeting at a later date, rather than have a one sided thrashing watched by one man and his dog! Because it would be financial suicide for any club to put out half a team in a home meeting! They would be damned for telling the fans (as nobody would turn up!) and damned if they didn't (because people would be annoyed to turn up and find half a team missing!). And does it really help the sport when a National League rider is pitched into an Elite League fixture as a heat leader? Speedway has enough integrity issues as it is, without further adding to it by putting out weakened teams and charging the paying fans full admission to see this! Another problem speedway has is establishing clear facts and transparency - whatever happened on Monday is at this time open to pure supposition - what we need is a clear, efficient enquiry and a swift result - to stop the endless bickering, and maybe start moving the sport forward so that we can prevent this happening again, or at the very least, put measures in place to help clubs deal with the situation without causing all this controversy! Or is that all too sensible? The real victims here were any Poole fans who made the journey in advance and incurred costs - they should be reimbursed in full as a good will measure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 So was there a burst water main that the Aces management thought here's a chance to postpone as haven't got any riders, or was it we haven't got any riders so lets manufacture a burst water main. One is a lot more serious than the other (neither are trivial). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 1/ The oft suggested squad system would seem a good solution. If you have riders missing, simply replace them with riders from your existing squad? So it's 3pm, your riders have missed their flight, you contact your squad rider, lets call him Joonas Kylmakorpi. But Joonas is at home in Sweden/Finland and the last flight has left, then what? Also, where do you suggest these squad riders come from? you'd need 20-30 extra riders, they dont exist or dont want to ride over here. 2/ If a team is missing riders due to missed flights etc, isn't it better to postpone the meeting (with both team's consent) and race the meeting at a later date, rather than have a one sided thrashing watched by one man and his dog! Because it would be financial suicide for any club to put out half a team in a home meeting! They would be damned for telling the fans (as nobody would turn up!) and damned if they didn't (because people would be annoyed to turn up and find half a team missing!). And does it really help the sport when a National League rider is pitched into an Elite League fixture as a heat leader? Speedway has enough integrity issues as it is, without further adding to it by putting out weakened teams and charging the paying fans full admission to see this! I've already posted the solution, BV use a couple of guests, the fans go home happy having seen a meeting and "good racing", the result is then retrospectively amended to remove the illegal guests points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 AND the guests would have been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 1/ The oft suggested squad system would seem a good solution. If you have riders missing, simply replace them with riders from your existing squad? How would the squad system have helped on Monday if the rest of Belle Vue's squad were also marooned due to the airline problems? If they were any good, that is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 AND the guests would have been? Worrall and Garrity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 AND the guests would have been? I'm sure there were a couple of 6.5 EL riders hanging around or back in the country. What was Eddie Kennett up to? He doesnt ride in Poland AFAIK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 (edited) Poole will get the 4 pouts but won't get the flight money back Well they should! Edited May 3, 2013 by lisa-colette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Well they should! Just the 4 points will do me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Just the 4 points will do me. You might get them when you ride the match! No argument with BV getting docked points, but they can't just award them to Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 You might get them when you ride the match! No argument with BV getting docked points, but they can't just award them to Poole. Oh yes they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 You might get them when you ride the match! No argument with BV getting docked points, but they can't just award them to Poole. To be fair if the Aces get a deduction and then an opportunity to win those points back that would be totally unfair on Poole. They would almost certainly have got the four had the Aces not cheated and they should be awarded the match. Of course the season ticket holders would need a pro rata refund as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 lets be honest if Zagar and Zorro weren't there, Poole would have got all 4 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kester Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 lets be honest if Zagar and Zorro weren't there, Poole would have got all 4 points. Probably, but the problem is you can't apply a sanction/reward based on liklihoods. Who's to say Poole wouldn't have lost Ward and Holder with injuries in their first rides and BV would win? Any set of punishments need to apply regardless of the relative strength of the teams. If BV are docked points then they should be docked them for dodgy behaviour and this should have no impact on any future staging of the meeting. Of course, we know nothing will actually happen so all this hypothetical chat will come to nowt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonButler Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 I think you will find they would say they were, hence a lot of fans leaving half way through. Complete waste of £17. However, it was probably a good night for any Wolves fans as their team was banging in 5-1 after 5-1 so they wouldn't care what the racing was like. I doubt, Gemini, that any true speedway supporter, as opposed to those individuals who are fans of any one club, likes to see a team firing in 5-1s in many heats. Doesn't it turn a spectacle into a borefest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 To be fair if the Aces get a deduction and then an opportunity to win those points back that would be totally unfair on Poole. They would almost certainly have got the four had the Aces not cheated and they should be awarded the match. Of course the season ticket holders would need a pro rata refund as well Is it fair to the other teams in the league if Poole are awarded points for a match they didn't ride? By awarding points to Poole you are disadvantaging every other team. You can't award points on the basis of what might have been the result.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Is it fair to the other teams in the league if Poole are awarded points for a match they didn't ride? By awarding points to Poole you are disadvantaging every other team. You can't award points on the basis of what might have been the result.... Ok re-run without Zorro and Zagar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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