Belle Vue Aces Vs Poole Pirates 29/4/2013

[salty]

Only the ref should call a meeting off. It was save all this bitcheness.

 

Also the SCB statement says it all really

But in these harsh economic times it can often be more prudent to make an early decision. You can't expect the ref to be at the tracks early in the day, so it follows the home track should make the call.

In the perfect world you would expect there to be no hidden agenda, but unfortunately we know that promoters don't live in a perfect world.

[Phil The Ace]

What makes us sound bad is that the SCB sent a local ref to go inspect the track and take photo evidence. If a pipe did burst then surely the ref would have sent so and there would have been no investigation

 

 

So ask your selves this why is there an investigation after a ref went down to take a look

 

 

But in these harsh economic times it can often be more prudent to make an early decision. You can't expect the ref to be at the tracks early in the day, so it follows the home track should make the call.

In the perfect world you would expect there to be no hidden agenda, but unfortunately we know that promoters don't live in a perfect world.

 

Yep I fully understand that. But maybe time as come to pay the ref on a race night for the full day and not just the evening. But obviously you have to take the refs full time job outside of speedway into consideration.

 

The thing is events like this happen all the time whether other teams fans accept this or not. Something needs to be done and if it has to be us that pays the consequence then so be it.

 

Fingers crossed that ours was a genuine excuse and no action will be taken

 

A belle Vue apology

 

 

 

 

With reference to Belle Vue vs. Poole meeting 29th April 2013,

 

Belle Vue Speedway: An Apology

 

BELLE Vue Speedway Club sincerely apologise to our supporters and staff, Poole supporters, riders, promoters and staff for the cancellation of Monday night’s meeting.

 

The decision to postpone the meeting was the wrong one but was made, for what was believed at the time, for the right reasons.

 

Clearly after further investigation this has proved to be an error of judgement made in the heat of the moment and is regretted. For that we are genuinely sorry.

 

David Gordon, Chief Executive Officer

Wednesday 1st May 2013

 

 

 

[AndyJ]

I suppose I am one of the keyboard warriors hyderd is talking about. But as I went up to BV on a fine Manchester evening, to walk across the the road to the stadium to find it in total lock down, even the local rats could not get in, and only an A4 piece of paper saying "speedway off" would I think Pee you off.

Then to find out later that two riders had missed their flights and one was out injured, does make it a little suspicious. What Pirate Baz said is completely true ,(post 209) as we were there together with our wives. As he stated 525 miles worth of fuel plus hotel and meals, does grate a bit IF the reason for calling it off was not genuine. At least I suppose we saved on the admission.

 

I feel your pain Brock. A decade or so back (in the days of the one big league) I took a 500 mile round trip with a mate to watch the Aces at Glasgow, paid to get in only for the inclement weather to prevent the match from starting. In the belief that the established protocol, of re-admission for the next 3 matches or the re-run of the same fixture, applied we drove home with the only proof of admission provided (the meeting programme) safely tucked away.

 

Later that year we returned to Glasgow for the re-run of the fixture and presented the programme expecting free admission- only to be told that Belle Vue fans had apparently been reimbursed after the rain-off and that the programmes could have been bought from a track shop. Given that we'd travelled on our own and stood near the start line, rather than looking for a group of Aces fans, we were oblivious to these arrangements. Annoyingly we had insufficient cash with us and had to drive around Glasgow trying to find a cash-machine, missing the first 2 or 3 races. Despite our protests and attempts, personally and then via Stuart Giles, to obtain a refund we hit a brick wall of stubbornness and remained out of pocket. It did leave a sour taste and, in my case, meant that I had zero desire to make a return visit but, as rare visitors from a distant club, our absence didn't leave too large a gap in the Glasgow financials.

 

I guess the point I'm trying (poorly!) to make here is that many of us have endured the wasted time and money associated with abandoned meetings. Many of us have also paid good money only to discover that one or both teams missing key riders and replaced by juniors; knowledge only shared after we'd already parted with our cash. Obviously, if it is proven that the meeting was abandoned under false pretences there will be uproar. However, bearing in mind that the Belle Vue promotion apparently subsidise the club losses to the tune of £70K every season and the fact that fielding an understrength side would cause untold damage to the goodwill of the regular paying customers, if faced by the same situation would any of you have allowed the meeting to proceed...?

 

Fingers firmly crossed that the flood damage is proven, that the dark shadow can be lifted from the Belle Vue promotion and a lot of humble pie can be eaten!

Edited May 1, 2013 by Tkdandy

[BWitcher]

 

With reference to Belle Vue vs. Poole meeting 29th April 2013,

 

Belle Vue Speedway: An Apology

 

BELLE Vue Speedway Club sincerely apologise to our supporters and staff, Poole supporters, riders, promoters and staff for the cancellation of Monday night's meeting.

 

The decision to postpone the meeting was the wrong one but was made, for what was believed at the time, for the right reasons.

 

Clearly after further investigation this has proved to be an error of judgement made in the heat of the moment and is regretted. For that we are genuinely sorry.

 

David Gordon, Chief Executive Officer

Wednesday 1st May 2013

 

So it appears Belle Vue are already running for cover and accepting their fate.

[hans fan]

So it appears Belle Vue are already running for cover and accepting their fate.

So it appears Belle Vue are already running for cover and accepting their fate.

there a disgrace

[BWitcher]

So just what is this 'decision' that was made in the heat of the moment..

 

Did they 'in the heat of the moment' mistakenly believe they had a burst water mains/pipe that had flooded the track rendering it unfit to race on..

 

or

 

Did they 'in the heat of the moment' concoct a scheme/excuse to call the meeting off.

[Jacques]

So it appears Belle Vue are already running for cover and accepting their fate.

 

Absolutely disgusting! Shameful behaviour and they are being awarded the prestige Speedway venue of the UK...

[BROCK]

I feel your pain Brock. A decade or so back (in the days of the one big league) I took a 500 mile round trip with a mate to watch the Aces at Glasgow, paid to get in only for the inclement weather to prevent the match from starting. In the belief that the established protocol, of re-admission for the next 3 matches or the re-run of the same fixture, applied we drove home with the only proof of admission provided (the meeting programme) safely tucked away.

 

Later that year we returned to Glasgow for the re-run of the fixture and presented the programme expecting free admission- only to be told that Belle Vue fans had apparently been reimbursed after the rain-off and that the programmes could have been bought from a track shop. Given that we'd travelled on our own and stood near the start line, rather than looking for a group of Aces fans, we were oblivious to these arrangements. Annoyingly we had insufficient cash with us and had to drive around Glasgow trying to find a cash-machine, missing the first 2 or 3 races. Despite our protests and attempts, personally and then via Stuart Giles, to obtain a refund we hit a brick wall of stubbornness and remained out of pocket. It did leave a sour taste and, in my case, meant that I had zero desire to make a return visit but, as rare visitors from a distant club, our absence didn't leave too large a gap in the Glasgow financials.

 

I guess the point I'm trying (poorly!) to make here is that many of us have endured the wasted time and money associated with abandoned meetings. Many of us have also paid good money only to discover that one or both teams missing key riders and replaced by juniors; knowledge only shared after we'd already parted with our cash. Obviously, if it is proven that the meeting was abandoned under false pretences there will be uproar. However, bearing in mind that the Belle Vue promotion apparently subsidise the club losses to the tune of £70K every season and the fact that fielding an understrength side would cause untold damage to the goodwill of the regular paying customers, if faced by the same situation would any of you have allowed the meeting to proceed...?

 

Fingers firmly crossed that the flood damage is proven, that the dark shadow can be lifted from the Belle Vue promotion and a lot of humble pie can be eaten!

I would not be complaining if it was a rain off, we have been to many of those over r the years, and that is just bad luck. I see now that BV are back peddling a bit now saying they more or less made a mistake. My mistake was going there.

[Steve0]

 

 

Absolutely disgusting! Shameful behaviour and they are being awarded the prestige Speedway venue of the UK...

 

They aren't being awarded anything - just like planning for a new stadium in Reading or Swindon - the fact that they choose to call it the National Speedway Stadium is irrelevant - much like Coventry International Raceway!

[Jacques]

They aren't being awarded anything - just like planning for a new stadium in Reading or Swindon - the fact that they choose to call it the National Speedway Stadium is irrelevant - much like Coventry International Raceway!

 

Fair enough..They'll be expecting the big events though won't they?

[Steve0]

 

 

Fair enough..They'll be expecting the big events though won't they?

 

Almost certainly - because it's new and therefore will have better facilities - just like Reading and Swindon (if they ever get built)

[LagutaRacingFan]

A points deduction and all the Poole fans who traveled should be compensated fully for their travel, petrol and accommodation.

Along with the Poole side have their flights paid for and again, There travel costs and accommodation covered.

[Agrotron]

A points deduction and all the Poole fans who traveled should be compensated fully for their travel, petrol and accommodation.

Along with the Poole side have their flights paid for and again, There travel costs and accommodation covered.

 

That would bankrupt the club.

[Phil The Ace]

 

 

That would bankrupt the club.

 

There's a name for people replying to them selves.

[Mr Blobby]

Bell Vue have apologized for what went happened on Monday here is the link

 

http://www.speedwayg...hp?extend.20063

 

They might have apologized for what they done and admitted they were wrong but it doesn't change things.

Edited May 1, 2013 by Mr Blobby

[LagutaRacingFan]

This makes it worse, In my opinion... The re-run should have Matej Zagar's place along with Zetterstrom's place in the side taken by 3.00 National League riders.

[RonButler]

The only thing we know is that the track was under water at one point the rest is just speculation. Had B Vue ran the meeting and a rider hit that patch lifted and injured himself then the slagging would of been "B Vue should on called the meeting off when they discovered the burst water main".

Lets all wait till the official SCB statement comes out, then make factual statement/comments.

 

 

I wholeheartedly agree, Hyderd. These comments are sounding increasingly like a main article in one of the red top daily newspapers.

 

Whilst having great sympathy for the Poole fans who travelled to Manchester, I feel it would be better to abstain from further comment until the Control Bureau issue an official statement.

[Agrotron]

There's a name for people replying to them selves.

 

Sorry?

[BWitcher]

I wholeheartedly agree, Hyderd. These comments are sounding increasingly like a main article in one of the red top daily newspapers.

 

Whilst having great sympathy for the Poole fans who travelled to Manchester, I feel it would be better to abstain from further comment until the Control Bureau issue an official statement.

 

With the greatest respect Rod, the Belle Vue promotion have already issued a statement confirming they were wrong and the meeting should not have been called off.

 

They have pleaded guilty effectively. Time to remove the blinkers!

[stevec]

What the hell are they saying by that statement? That's they lied and it was an error of judgement or that there was a leak but they could have run the match. If they are really saying that they did lie and there was not a leak they should be thrown out of management and the match should be re-run without the riders that were not available.....if it can be shown that was the case.