BluPanther Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Ok we will leave it there. Thought you might!!! HIP HIP HORAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Thought you might!!! You remind me of the misses, she always wants the last word also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Well its made 50 pages now so maybe lock it - finally!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 (edited) They admitted to postponing the meeting without just cause. Hence the fine and points deduction. That's what they officially admitted to, although in the end Gordon & Morton had to acknowledge that they were so useless that couldn't postpone a meeting at their own track without getting caught. I can fully understand the argument that their ineptitude to manage recent events, calls into question their ability to manage something so important as the National Speedway Centre. Well I don't see anyone else putting their hands up to manage it, do you???? As the finance is in place all that is needed is for Oldace, Moxey63 and Bwitcher to take it over and make a success of it. Edited May 19, 2013 by jimmy jimmy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Well its made 50 pages now so maybe lock it - finally!! No - still plenty of shovels left! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Well I don't see anyone else putting their hands up to manage it, do you???? As the finance is in place all that is needed is for Oldace, Moxey63 and Bwitcher to take it over and make a success of it. Point me to where I have been attacking the new stadium?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 it would have been settled earlier if correct pictures were taken.... as in the flooded part of the track..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 This is belle Vue's response finally BELLE Vue are to ask the BSPA for an urgent change to be made in the rule governing riders who don’t arrive for meetings because of flight problems. The Rentruck Aces have been fined £5,000 and docked three Elite League points for calling off a recent meeting against Poole for no fault of their own. They admitted they were wrong to do so after No 1 Matej Zagar and heat leader Magnus Zetterstrom missed a flight into Manchester from Munich because of a delay. But after being without the injured Artur Mroczka already, the Aces found themselves in the impossible position of charging fans to watch would basically have been a team with no top end against the powerful Pirates. They found themselves in the nightmare scenario that applies particularly to Monday night tracks like themselves and Wolverhampton where riders had been unable to get in from Sunday racing in Poland because of circumstances beyond their control. The logical move would have been to ask the BSPA for permission to bring in a guest No 1 for Zagar such as Chris Harris. But rules don’t allow this and they were faced with going into the match without the top three men in their averages. That would have been a PR disaster for speedway if they had gone ahead and the Aces’ management feel they took the wrong decision for the right reasons. They feel that with so many riders coming in from Poland for the Monday matches that the rule over guests for those marooned by flight problems needs an urgent review, especially with Sky screening live matches on a Monday. Just think of the backlash if that had been a live Sky match and the Aces had been forced to go into it without their top three riders. David Gordon said: “Yes we accept we made the wrong decision but we believed at the time for the right reasons. “For the record at around 2.30pm on the 29th April we receive a call from Matej Zagar and Magnus Zetterstrom to say they were stranded in Munich airport having missed their connecting flight to Manchester due to their Lufthansa flight from Poland being delayed. Their Lufthansa aircraft was still on stand but the gate had closed. We immediately informed our travel contacts to endeavour to get the two riders alternative flights in to the UK. But the problem we faced turned into disaster as there were no flights available to any UK airport that would get them in on time for the meeting. “Through no fault of the two riders or the Belle Vue Club we were faced with an impossible situation of having two heat leaders stuck and Artur Mroczka out injured. We were effectively reduced to a four man team. The current rules say you cannot use an equivalent rider facility except to use two six point Premier League riders to replace top Elite League heat leaders. We genuinely felt that was an impossible situation. Therefore we considered, in the heat of the moment, to cancel the meeting using an inappropriate reason and for this we apologise. We should have stated the facts and cancelled the meeting for the actual reason plain and simple. “We take our fair share of responsibility. However we must stress this wasn't a matter about winning or losing a speedway meeting or any financial implications. We seriously considered putting on a speedway meeting with that line up would have been a ridiculous spectacle and totally unfair for the paying spectator. “The following day we explained the situation to an SCB Official who then later emailed us to attend an SCB hearing at 11.00am on Tuesday 14th May. As we admitted our error we did not face a full SCB tribunal. “At the SCB hearing we were shown the utmost courtesy and we received a fair hearing from the panel as we explained in detail the circumstance of the match-day problem that we encountered. I think it’s fair to say they fully understood and had good knowledge of the difficulty we had faced on the day. We left the hearing at 11.20am. “We received the SCB panel’s decision by email at 10.30am on Wednesday 15th May followed shortly after by a proposed SCB press statement. The press release accurately detailed the board’s decision. “We were seriously considering an appeal for both the amount of the fine and in our view the unnecessary double whammy of the three points deduction. The right of appeal is a fundamental right and we believe this should not be compromised in any way. “The the SCB then issued the press statement at 4.00pm on the 15th May and we then issued our brief press statement saying that we would not make any detailed comment as we were in the process of considering an appeal. “Incredibly the SCB press statement, together with additional inaccurate comments, apparently made in an interview, by an SCB Official, Mr Reeve, who was not present at the hearing or part of the decision making process, appeared on the Speedway GP web site on Thursday 16th May. “In the article Mr Reeve stated things that were factually wrong and totally misleading. Reeve said "the SCB board didn't want to deny Belle Vue fans the chance of seeing Poole and riders to miss out on a pay day as Belle Vue only race Poole once.” This is simply not true. Belle Vue’s 2013 fixtures clearly show we race Poole twice at home and therefore this suggests the SCB decision making rationale is flawed. “Mr Reeve also stated that the two riders "Zagar and Zetterstrom are expected to contribute to the Belle Vue fine." Again this is not completely accurate as it was not a mandatory ruling by the board but a recommendation. It is a matter for Belle Vue to decide if this is or not implemented. “We are astonished and mystified about the incredible reference Mr Reeve made with regard to the board not awarding the points to Poole because “this would have skewed the Elite League table and could possibly open the door to suspicious call-offs and it could be financially worthwhile for away promoters paying home promoters to call off meeting and give a ‘back hander’ to pay fees to promoters”. This was an amazing statement. “The story was also included in that week’s Speedway Star with the additional comments. This is very puzzling as the copy deadline is Tuesday midday and we were not informed of the SCB hearing decision until mid morning on Wednesday. This is of serious concern to us as clearly the SCB deems the release of sensitive information to the Speedway Star, which must have been released on Tuesday immediately after the SCB hearing, is a greater priority over informing Belle Vue. “We immediately emailed the SCB on 16th May as we believe the right of appeal process had been prejudiced and placed in jeopardy by the inaccurate comments made public by Mr Reeve and the inaccurate views he expressed about the reasoning behind the SCB decisions. It's clear from what transpired that Mr Reeve had a different agenda. “We emailed the SCB on four occasions complaining about the post hearing comments made by Mr Reeve and requested an explanation as to how an SCB Official can be commenting over and above an official SCB press statement and in such an inappropriate way. But we were extremely disappointed that the sport’s governing body took over seven days to provide us with the courtesy of a reply. “Yes we made a silly mistake and we have paid the price but it appears to us the SCB prefer to remain unaccountable for their Official’s inappropriate actions. We have taken responsibility for our actions, it is a pity that others don't want to do the same. Of course we are disappointed but we will now move on.” Thursday 6th June 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 (edited) Unreal statement ..you get caught cheating and then start blaming others ...what would there appeal be base on ? getting caught ? As I said in any other sport for a stunt like this they would have been kick out of sport so they can count themselves lucky ... Great new rule they want bring in get a guest if you miss a flight, Matt ford would love that one . This Statement hardly smacks of takeing responsibility for there actions it smacks of feeling hard done by Edited June 6, 2013 by orion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kester Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 Love it. A quick gloss over the lying and cheating bit and then have a big moan about Graham Reeve. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 This matter is now up to 50 pages on this thread...it's possible that there will be another 50 to follow thanks to that statement. Don't Belle Vue want this sad episode to end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 When in a hole - STOP DIGGING! They are just not doing themselves any favours with that statement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 Shocking reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 The Belle Vue promotion made a huge mistake by lying but did they have any choice?with the non flexible pathetic rules in place.You would of thought they could of explained they're position to the board and maybe get guests in to make the match competetive.It is not about winning or losing,surely if people are paying 17 pounds they expect to have full and competetive teams on show and this would not of been the case.I am not defending Belle Vue in anyway just stating that some of these rules are pathetic that's why i agreed with Poole being able to call there match off.Again the paying customer would of been getting robbed ,some people will say Swindon rode at King,s Lynn weakened also at home to Birmingham( that match should of been called off) does it make it right.?This episode shows why the EL has to change and as for the rules rip the book up and start again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 Unreal statement ..you get caught cheating and then start blaming others ...what would there appeal be base on ? getting caught ? As I said in any other sport for a stunt like this they would have been kick out of sport so they can count themselves lucky ... Great new rule they want bring in get a guest if you miss a flight, Matt ford would love that one . This Statement hardly smacks of takeing responsibility for there actions it smacks of feeling hard done by Love it. A quick gloss over the lying and cheating bit and then have a big moan about Graham Reeve. When in a hole - STOP DIGGING! They are just not doing themselves any favours with that statement. Can only agree with the above comments, especially the last one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 "...they were faced with going into the match without the top three men in their averages. That would have been a PR disaster for speedway if they had gone ahead." A big well done to the Aces management for avoiding a PR disaster.... Sidney, a moment's pause for reflection would surely reveal the gaping hole that lies ahead of your argument. Any club's top rider who is going through a sticky patch would be, in inverted commas, missing their flight and promptly replaced by some in-form hotshot. And the opposition would, quite rightly, be kicking up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 So has the burst water pipe been fixed yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 ...and still no mention of any compensation to those Poole fans who had made it to the hotel opposite!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) "...they were faced with going into the match without the top three men in their averages. That would have been a PR disaster for speedway if they had gone ahead." A big well done to the Aces management for avoiding a PR disaster.... Sidney, a moment's pause for reflection would surely reveal the gaping hole that lies ahead of your argument. Any club's top rider who is going through a sticky patch would be, in inverted commas, missing their flight and promptly replaced by some in-form hotshot. And the opposition would, quite rightly, be kicking up. My point is are the rules in place right? you are correct in what you are saying about rules being abused.But does this incident show the EL is in big trouble fixtures the riders running to a to tighter schedule it will happen again riders missing flights.Would you rather stick to the rigid inflexible rules and have depleted teams put on show.Surely this is an entertainment business people getting value for what they believe they are paying for.You wouldn't go out for a meal pay for the works steak(ect) and then just except sausage and chips would you! is there any difference. Edited June 7, 2013 by sidney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 Seems a very fair statement, but reveals a very worrying insight into the way the SCB (mis)handle their duties. Very unprofessional behaviour from them in getting simple facts wrong and feeding confidential information to Speedway Star before advising the parties concerned. They've not been so quick in feeding information out about the dodgy and similar (if not worse) Poole call off though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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