LisaColette Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Or belle Vue have told him to say that Plus it was tweeted at 9pm, meeting just about over! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 What a farce what the hell are BV playing at they cannot afford to cancel meeting willy nilly, and I feel for the Pirates that travelled to Manchester I would be incredibly cheesed off and would be in contact with them telling them what I thought of them, or even asking for a Jason Lyons keyring. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 The only thing we know is that the track was under water at one point the rest is just speculation. Had B Vue ran the meeting and a rider hit that patch lifted and injured himself then the slagging would of been "B Vue should on called the meeting off when they discovered the burst water main". Lets all wait till the official SCB statement comes out, then make factual statement/comments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Chris Holder Tweeted a picture of the track and it looked pretty good - this was a pathetic excuse for BV to call a meeting off when they knew they were going to get trounced. Who's saying that they just got the hose out and dropped a puddle or 2 on the track? I wouldn't put it past them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 The only thing we know is that the track was under water at one point the rest is just speculation. Had B Vue ran the meeting and a rider hit that patch lifted and injured himself then the slagging would of been "B Vue should on called the meeting off when they discovered the burst water main". Lets all wait till the official SCB statement comes out, then make factual statement/comments. True it is all speculation but it was enough to spark the statement on the BSPA site so seems a little bit more don't you think? A burst water main would have flooded the place and been a tad harder to turn off. I have seen water mains of small and large diameter burst and the consequences of that a dozen times. So it was a burst/cut water service pipe rather than a main which usually are laid a few inches underground with no protection and can easily be sliced through with a shovel. Once discovered this can be turned off with ease from a stop cock and as these are usually about an inch or two in diameter alkathene pipe and not under the pressure a main would be the consequences a lot less severe. The puddle in the photo suggests just that. What can be done if BV are found to be guilty of manipulating a rain off on a sunny day? The simple answer is they should be thrown out of speedway. But of course the sport is in too dire straights for it to do that and that would scupper the grandly named tin shed that would become the National Stadium. Award the match to Poole? Unfair to the others that need to go there as a full BV side probably would have gotten 3 points. heavy fine? BV are potless. Reimburse Poole fans and BV fans for their trouble? Gets my vote. Send them a strongly worded letter? Probably all the SCB can actually do. Whatever happens and whatever excuse is rolled out the sport will have lost a lot of fans. It's credibility is unaffected as it has not had any for decades now and is a joke sport with the tiny minority of non speedway people who actually know it exists. It's not the first time something like this has happened and as long as the teams are at the mercy of foreign leagues it won't be the last. I feel sorry for the fans who took their hard earned time and money to go and watch a speedway match. Like probably everybody here been there, done that and got the T Shirt. We have all travelled hundreds of miles for rain offs and accept this as part of supporting speedway. But this is different and if proved to have been a set up to cover BV's weakened state then the sooner the EL dissapears and we start to try and rebuild our sport using home grown and home based riders the better. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 I find it hard to believe that after all the time and money Gordon and Mort and now George Carswell have put into getting B Vue a new purpose built stadium, that they would pull a stupid stunt like is being suggested and put all that a risk just because 2 riders are stuck overseas. Having said that if it is shown they have cheated to get the match off the SCB should deal with it swiftly and severely including refunds to all fans who have valid receipts for monies spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 It was due on tv wasn't it? That's the reason it was called off, to save the embarrassment to the sport, SKY, with 2 riders not available and so a one sided meeting? What on earth are these riders playing at???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 It was due on tv wasn't it? That's the reason it was called off, to save the embarrassment to the sport, SKY, with 2 riders not available and so a one sided meeting? What on earth are these riders playing at???? It was never going to be on tv, go back to sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Joking and absent riders aside, I am not sure that there is much difference between the call off at Belle Vue and the call off at Rye House on Saturday. I certainly know Plymouth fans who had booked accommodation so they could travel on to Newcastle the next day. EDIT: Beat me to it, Dave. Wasnt the inform Tyson Nelson missing from Rye House on Saturday????............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Hopkins Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Why are speedway promoters allowed to call a match off without a referee inspecting the track first? I'm not sure stopping a burst from a main is down to simply turning off a stop cock if that pipe is serving other adresses in the area. If the burst was a few feet under the surface it wouldn't necessarily leave the area flooded, but the ground would be saturated. As for all the speculation and hot air and general bollocks that is typical of this website, I bet the Poole riders and promoter would be bleating if the match was due to go ahead and all the Belle Vue riders were present if faced with those track conditions. The proof will be when and if the men from United Utilities turn up to dig a hole in the track, not on the opinion of terminally whining speedway fans. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Obvious coincidence that it happens on a race day, with the top two home riders missing. Such rotten luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) I find it hard to believe that after all the time and money Gordon and Mort and now George Carswell have put into getting B Vue a new purpose built stadium, that they would pull a stupid stunt like is being suggested and put all that a risk just because 2 riders are stuck overseas. Having said that if it is shown they have cheated to get the match off the SCB should deal with it swiftly and severely including refunds to all fans who have valid receipts for monies spent. How on earth would that be administered, Any one from Poole who happened to fill their car yesterday and got a receipt would claim. Equally hom many keep petrol receipts anyway It would be impossible Why are speedway promoters allowed to call a match off without a referee inspecting the track first? The jurisdiction of the ref only starts a couple of hours prior to the start, up to that the home promotion make the decision, thats why this had to be done fairly early because once the ref arrived he obviously wouldn't sanction a rain off on a perfect track One thing for certain though, would never have happened if Eurosport had the league matches instead of SKY Edited April 30, 2013 by Oldace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Hopkins Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 It wasn't a rain off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 It wasn't a rain off! OK then just for the pedantic the ref would unlikely sanction " a postponement caused by a slight puddle on the second bend due to a burst water main that was likely done deliberately with a hosepipe because two riders were still in Poland" off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 It was never going to be on tv, go back to sleep. SKY would've of had someone there, Ermolenko, that's the norm now . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 I'm not sure stopping a burst from a main is down to simply turning off a stop cock if that pipe is serving other adresses in the area. If the burst was a few feet under the surface it wouldn't necessarily leave the area flooded, but the ground would be saturated. A water main burst would involve a bit more than a stop cock turning off as, and the clue is in the name, a main is a pipe that serves a wide area. They are generally about a metre down and when they burst they tend to cause a hell of a lot of flooding as they are under high pressure. The amount of water that comes out of them, even a 4" main, is staggering to behold and it would leave the immediate area flooded and not just saturate the ground. It was obviously NOT a water main and more likely simply have been a plastic service pipe. They tend to be put in by a contractor or even the landlord and are usualy a few inches (sometimes a lot less) below ground and can be broken simply by pushing a spade into the soil. They are turned off by the simple act of turning a stop cock. When located they can be stopped by the even simpler act of bending the alkathene 180 degrees and holding it firmly in your fist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 SKY would've of had someone there, Ermolenko, that's the norm now . . WHOOSH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevec Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) I really hope that BV prove to be innocent over this. I feel sorry for the fans. They have finally had something to cheer about with a good start to the season and this happens. If BV are guilty and it is proven that they had riders unavailable then I think they should have 6 points or so deducted and made to race the match using the riders that were available to them last night. Regarding whether this could or cant be a water main, well of course it can. Someone on here suggested that water mains are high pressure and would cause a lot of flooding. Well that is not always the case. Some water mains only have around 1 bar and they can have anything from a small trickle to quite a flood. It is possible that the leak would not have been noticed until the ground was sodden and then it could take a while to work out where its coming from and what to turn off. I am not saying they are innocent but just trying to make the point that they could be. sorry about my paragraphing but my enter key wont work in this post!! Edited April 30, 2013 by stevec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Hopkins Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 A water main burst would involve a bit more than a stop cock turning off as, and the clue is in the name, a main is a pipe that serves a wide area. They are generally about a metre down and when they burst they tend to cause a hell of a lot of flooding as they are under high pressure. The amount of water that comes out of them, even a 4" main, is staggering to behold and it would leave the immediate area flooded and not just saturate the ground. It was obviously NOT a water main and more likely simply have been a plastic service pipe. They tend to be put in by a contractor or even the landlord and are usualy a few inches (sometimes a lot less) below ground and can be broken simply by pushing a spade into the soil. They are turned off by the simple act of turning a stop cock. When located they can be stopped by the even simpler act of bending the alkathene 180 degrees and holding it firmly in your fist. So assuming it was a geniune burst you think with water still leeching out onto the track they would have time to dig down, repair it, put the track back together and let it dry sufficiently to bind together before a 7.30pm start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 So assuming it was a geniune burst you think with water still leeching out onto the track they would have time to dig down, repair it, put the track back together and let it dry sufficiently to bind together before a 7.30pm start? I think most of the Forum are assuming it wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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